What is Godolphin thinking?

Betsy · #1 08-31-2009, 05:08 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106859.html

I don't get it... why would Godolphin point Music Note for the Filly and Mare Sprint? That is very disappointing - I can only assume by Mettee's comments that they are higher on Cocoa Beach than MN?

Music Note is not a sprinter even though she just won the Ballerina.....she barely lost the 3 year old filly championship last year. What kind of sense does this make?

10 pnt move up · #2 08-31-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106859.html

I don't get it... why would Godolphin point Music Note for the Filly and Mare Sprint? That is very disappointing - I can only assume by Mettee's comments that they are higher on Cocoa Beach than MN?

Music Note is not a sprinter even though she just won the Ballerina.....she barely lost the 3 year old filly championship last year. What kind of sense does this make?

you dont think its a matter of how much easier a race the sprint would be to win?

Betsy · #3 08-31-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you dont think its a matter of how much easier a race the sprint would be to win?

So, then why not point Cocoa Beach to the sprint?

I guess to me it sounds like they don't think she's as good as Cocoa Beach so they are going the path of least resistance.

CSC · #4 08-31-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

So, then why not point Cocoa Beach to the sprint?

I guess to me it sounds like they don't think she's as good as Cocoa Beach so they are going the path of least resistance.

I understand your reasoning, however you must keep in mind Godolphin have multiple assets, though it may not seem logical I'm sure they have discussed it between themselves the best place to allocate their assets for the rest of the season. If you ask me they are pretty sharp bunch and we have seen them try some strange things in the past but ended up being the correct choice, Sahktee in the classic for instance comes to mind.

hockey2315 · #5 08-31-2009, 10:44 PM

Right. If they want to keep the two separated, they should send the one who wants at least a mile in the less prestigious sprint instead of the more versatile one (distance wise at least) who is not a grade 1 winner at the distance of the f+m sprint.

Makes sense. . .

Betsy · #6 08-31-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I understand your reasoning, however you must keep in mind Godolphin have multiple assets, though it may not seem logical I'm sure they have discussed it between themselves the best place to allocate their assets for the rest of the season. If you ask me they are pretty sharp bunch and we have seen them try some strange things in the past but ended up being the correct choice, Sahktee in the classic for instance comes to mind.

They also retired Bernardini before he had a chance to show what he could do and skipped the BC Juvenile with Ruler's Court - I understand what you're saying, but Godolphin has made some bad decisions.

I guess I shouldn't have said the Ballerina was fluky because MN is a talented filly. It just feels like to me that she's sort of being shunted aside for Cocoa Beach......who really hasn't been that good this year. I just can't get that excited about MN being pointed to the Sprint....

Danzig · #7 09-01-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

They also retired Bernardini before he had a chance to show what he could do and skipped the BC Juvenile with Ruler's Court - I understand what you're saying, but Godolphin has made some bad decisions.

I guess I shouldn't have said the Ballerina was fluky because MN is a talented filly. It just feels like to me that she's sort of being shunted aside for Cocoa Beach......who really hasn't been that good this year. I just can't get that excited about MN being pointed to the Sprint....

the ballerina, at 7f, is her first win in about a year. she may be talented, but they have others who they apparently feel are moreso for that distance. you keep talking about cocoa beach, but as someone pointed out, they also have seventh street. they may not have planned a bc trip for music note at all, but after her win, they're giving her a shot.

brianwspencer · #8 08-31-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106859.html

I don't get it... why would Godolphin point Music Note for the Filly and Mare Sprint? That is very disappointing - I can only assume by Mettee's comments that they are higher on Cocoa Beach than MN?

Music Note is not a sprinter even though she just won the Ballerina.....she barely lost the 3 year old filly championship last year. What kind of sense does this make?

Though she also just proved that she could beat two of the biggest threats in the division.

Seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Betsy · #9 08-31-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Though she also just proved that she could beat two of the biggest threats in the division.

Seems to make a lot of sense to me.

Yes, but she also won a few big name grade 1 stakes last year going two turns.....I guess I don't see why a filly who came a few votes short of winning a championship last year is being reduced to a sprinter. Yes, reduced. To me, she's not a sprinter - she won because she's a very talented filly who was primed for a peak effort. It just bespeaks no confidence in her.......but I have no choice, lol. Wherever MN runs, I will root for her.

Danzig · #10 08-31-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Yes, but she also won a few big name grade 1 stakes last year going two turns.....I guess I don't see why a filly who came a few votes short of winning a championship last year is being reduced to a sprinter. Yes, reduced. To me, she's not a sprinter - she won because she's a very talented filly who was primed for a peak effort. It just bespeaks no confidence in her.......but I have no choice, lol. Wherever MN runs, I will root for her.

reduced? it's shorter, not easier.

Betsy · #11 08-31-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

reduced? it's shorter, not easier.

It's more prestigious to win longer races than sprints...that's why I said reduced. Mettee raved about Cocoa Beach, so I guess they think they have a better chance at winning the Ladies Classic with her......

hockey2315 · #12 08-31-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106859.html

I don't get it... why would Godolphin point Music Note for the Filly and Mare Sprint? That is very disappointing - I can only assume by Mettee's comments that they are higher on Cocoa Beach than MN?

Music Note is not a sprinter even though she just won the Ballerina.....she barely lost the 3 year old filly championship last year. What kind of sense does this make?

I know you have a thing for Music Note, but come on. She's clearly a VERY talented sprinter and there's much reason to believe that she's better at 7F than 8, 9, or 10.

Like BWS said - makes a ton of sense.

And if they're high on Cocoa Beach they're crazy.

Betsy · #13 08-31-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I know you have a thing for Music Note, but come on. She's clearly a VERY talented sprinter and there's much reason to believe that she's better at 7F than 8, 9, or 10.

Like BWS said - makes a ton of sense.

And if they're high on Cocoa Beach they're crazy.

Well, given the quotes in that article, it's obvious they are very happy with CB.

What makes you think MN is better at 7 furlongs than at longer distances? I don't see it.......is it based on one perhaps fluky performance?

hockey2315 · #14 08-31-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

Well, given the quotes in that article, it's obvious they are very happy with CB.

What makes you think MN is better at 7 furlongs than at longer distances? I don't see it.......is it based on one perhaps fluky performance?

I don't think her performance the other day was fluky - I think it was VERY impressive even though the two horses she beat may have been compromised.

The bottom line is that she's somewhere at the top of the F+M sprint division, but probably isn't in the same league as Rachel (won't matter for the BC), Zenyatta, Icon Project, and Careless Jewel.

Godolphin also has Seventh Street.

VOL JACK · #15 08-31-2009, 08:57 PM

I would love the chance to bet Informed Decision over Music Note on the plastic.

King Glorious · #16 08-31-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

http://www.drf.com/news/article/106859.html

I don't get it... why would Godolphin point Music Note for the Filly and Mare Sprint? That is very disappointing - I can only assume by Mettee's comments that they are higher on Cocoa Beach than MN?

Music Note is not a sprinter even though she just won the Ballerina.....she barely lost the 3 year old filly championship last year. What kind of sense does this make?

This is a joke right? She just destroyed last year's champion and the leader so far for this year in only her second race back and you think it makes no sense to point her towards the FM Sprint? Not just beat them but destroyed them.

NTamm1215 · #17 08-31-2009, 05:58 PM

You're right, I think they should run her in the Marathon and put Castellano back on her, maybe he'll make a Jorge Carreno like mistake and think they only have to go around once. It would at least be a better excuse than putting her to an all out drive with over 50% of the race to go like he did in the Ogden Phipps.

NT

brianwspencer · #18 08-31-2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You're right, I think they should run her in the Marathon and put Castellano back on her, maybe he'll make a Jorge Carreno like mistake and think they only have to go around once. It would at least be a better excuse than putting her to an all out drive with over 50% of the race to go like he did in the Ogden Phipps.

NT

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Indian Charlie · #19 08-31-2009, 07:21 PM

Wow.

Wow.

I am floored that anyone can think that Godolphin is making a sensible decision with Music Note.

This is absolutely retarded.

First of all people, Indian Blessing is not even close to the same horse she was a year ago. I would not be surprised if she is soon retired.

Second of all, Informed Decision is miles better over synthetic than she is on dirt. Yeah yeah, she won at CD on derby day, I know.

A healthy Informed Decision and Ventura will easily beat Music Note going 7 on synthetic.

How the hell can anyone think she beat a quality field Saturday, and even worse, to say she's clearly a superior sprinter off of one start against a really bad field of 'g1' DIRT sprinters, it's just nuts!

freddymo · #20 08-31-2009, 07:27 PM

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Wow.

Wow.

I am floored that anyone can think that Godolphin is making a sensible decision with Music Note.

This is absolutely retarded.

First of all people, Indian Blessing is not even close to the same horse she was a year ago. I would not be surprised if she is soon retired.

Second of all, Informed Decision is miles better over synthetic than she is on dirt. Yeah yeah, she won at CD on derby day, I know.

A healthy Informed Decision and Ventura will easily beat Music Note going 7 on synthetic.

How the hell can anyone think she beat a quality field Saturday, and even worse, to say she's clearly a superior sprinter off of one start against a really bad field of 'g1' DIRT sprinters, it's just nuts!

She certainly showed a fairly high cruise speed. She ran a lot better then I thought she would BUT I think Bin Laden is in charge of the D Barn at Saratoga this year.. I wonder how Wolfson got his merch thru.. Maybe he was wearing a kofi.. KIDDING