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Old 08-03-2009, 01:53 PM
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Does anyone think he will ever be tried on turf? I think his running style will be better suited for the turf at the 1 1/8 + distance.

If tried on turf, how does everyone think he would do?
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Old 08-03-2009, 01:56 PM
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Does anyone think he will ever be tried on turf? I think his running style will be better suited for the turf at the 1 1/8 + distance.

If tried on turf, how does everyone think he would do?
I think he'll be tried on turf but won't be that good on it. He'll be best in 10 furlongs races with a lot of pace and a patient rider, unfortunately there aren't many of those (10 furlong races and patient riders).
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Old 08-03-2009, 01:56 PM
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His turf tomlinson is very low - 201.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:01 PM
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This is quickest, most nimble, footed 3 year old out there (that's not already sprinting on the turf). Who cares what Tomlinson has to say?

This isn't a horse that pushes a big gear, like Curlin, and would thus have a problem 'powering' his way on the grass. This is a one run animal that is very athletic. With a PATIENT jock that makes a TIMELY run, he'd be very, very good. Imagine him at AP, for example, with all those late collapsing races.


In fact, this horse is being wasted on dirt. He should be running on turf and turflike POLY.
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:13 PM
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This is quickest, most nimble, footed 3 year old out there (that's not already sprinting on the turf). Who cares what Tomlinson has to say?

This isn't a horse that pushes a big gear, like Curlin, and would thus have a problem 'powering' his way on the grass. This is a one run animal that is very athletic. With a PATIENT jock that makes a TIMELY run, he'd be very, very good. Imagine him at AP, for example, with all those late collapsing races.


In fact, this horse is being wasted on dirt. He should be running on turf and turflike POLY.
Let's get a campaign going to bring him back to Woodbine!
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:33 PM
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This is quickest, most nimble, footed 3 year old out there (that's not already sprinting on the turf). Who cares what Tomlinson has to say?

This isn't a horse that pushes a big gear, like Curlin, and would thus have a problem 'powering' his way on the grass. This is a one run animal that is very athletic. With a PATIENT jock that makes a TIMELY run, he'd be very, very good. Imagine him at AP, for example, with all those late collapsing races.


In fact, this horse is being wasted on dirt. He should be running on turf and turflike POLY.
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Old 08-03-2009, 07:42 PM
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His beyers were pretty low at Woodbine. I suspect his wins there was more due to inferior competition rather than a definitive answer of whether Mine that Bird likes synthetics
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:16 PM
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His beyers were pretty low at Woodbine. I suspect his wins there was more due to inferior competition rather than a definitive answer of whether Mine that Bird likes synthetics
Outside of BEYERVILLE, there's the 'wipeout'. 2 of MTB's 4 wins at WO were 'wipe-outs'. Not an easy thing to do -- especially up there. He handled the poly there, for sure. Of course, handling the poly up there is no guarantee that he'll handle the turf, as, of all the tracks, this is the one where horses that handle one surface don't necessarily handle the other.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:17 PM
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:21 PM
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Ive been thinking about this since the preakness and belmont the horse does seem to have a gear that when he is "on" really goes from 2nd to 5th in a hurry and i was always under the impression that for a horse to be good on T they had to have that quick acceleration that he seems to have. I would kind of like to see it to be honest. I mean he is a gelding so who knows what direction they will go. but count me in as wanting to see him take a try with it.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:22 PM
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Only one turf winner from his first four dams, and I wouldn't expect Birdstone to be a turf influence.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:56 PM
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Got back to your figs, Bro
listen, I don't disagree that he would be better on turf. but the way you're describing him as "the most nimble footed 3yo out there" sounds ridiculous and ostentatious. he'd be better on turf because he is what he is- a plodder who has one extended burst of speed for 2-3 furlongs, which is what excels in turf racing.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:23 PM
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Does anyone think he will ever be tried on turf? I think his running style will be better suited for the turf at the 1 1/8 + distance.

If tried on turf, how does everyone think he would do?
I think he is good where he is, he's handled poly before so that is not a question, what he needs is a regular rider and better placements from his human connections to give him a better chance.
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:01 PM
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I think he is good where he is, he's handled poly before so that is not a question, what he needs is a regular rider and better placements from his human connections to give him a better chance.

i thought the west va derby was a good place to run him, even tho i was surprised they chose that route. he's a victim of his running style, not his trainer and owners choice of race. hell, he won the ky derby-it's not as tho on his day, and with the right set up, he can't win...
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Old 08-03-2009, 09:15 PM
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i thought the west va derby was a good place to run him, even tho i was surprised they chose that route. he's a victim of his running style, not his trainer and owners choice of race. hell, he won the ky derby-it's not as tho on his day, and with the right set up, he can't win...
Not disagreeing with his running style, he is what he is; however he seems to be better where he can run around tight turns when he can use his agility and accelleration. Mountaineer and Belmont are not places I ever expected him to do well. If he does go to the Travers and he still has anything left in the tank, I would expect him to run better if he can get a jockey that understands his running style.
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