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Old 07-15-2009, 03:05 PM
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Default Belmont allowance lost in the shuffle

With all of the stakes action going on last week, I didn't see any commentary on what was a very salty NW2X allowance race at Belmont last Thursday. Both the winner (Treat Gently) and the runner-up (Cable) look like serious fillies on turf. Cable, by Clement's statements in DRF, has her issues (probably the reason she's only had 4 lifetime starts). However, given her performance in this slow-paced affair and the back class that she exhibited in Europe, couldn't the Juddmonte-owned Treat Gently be a factor in a race like the Diana should they spot her aggressively for her next start?
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:32 PM
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given her performance in this slow-paced affair
I'm puzzled about something. Typically, I've thought as slow paced races favoring those on the lead. And, we see countless examples of this, especially on the turf. But in this race they went 6-3-4-2-5-1 (qtr positions) and 6-4-3-2-5-1 (half positions) around the track. So, where does the 'slow pace' part come in?
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:53 PM
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I'm puzzled about something. Typically, I've thought as slow paced races favoring those on the lead. And, we see countless examples of this, especially on the turf. But in this race they went 6-3-4-2-5-1 (qtr positions) and 6-4-3-2-5-1 (half positions) around the track. So, where does the 'slow pace' part come in?
I'd call a 25.1 quarter and a 49.1 half a "slow pace" in light of the distance, the caliber of fillies involved, and the condition (pretty hard) of the course. Obviously, the final part of the race was very quick, with the "lead's" last 5/16 of a mile completed in a shade over 28 seconds.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:06 PM
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So, a 'slow-pace' can result in a race collapsing as well as a wire job? If this is the case, then why bother noting the pace, why not just look at the final time? In other words, just the speed figures? But this wouldn't work either, would it, as 'slow' paces typically result in 'slow' final times.

And, it can't be the case that better horses are better able to handle 'slow-paces', because, they're consistently bent over by lesser rivals with 'pace' advantages as well.

Of course, in any other group race, having the lead is a HUGE disadvantage, no matter how 'slow" (or 'fast') the pace is.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:22 PM
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So, a 'slow-pace' can result in a race collapsing as well as a wire job? If this is the case, then why bother noting the pace, why not just look at the final time? In other words, just the speed figures? But this wouldn't work either, would it, as 'slow' paces typically result in 'slow' final times.

And, it can't be the case that better horses are better able to handle 'slow-paces', because, they're consistently bent over by lesser rivals with 'pace' advantages as well.

Of course, in any other group race, having the lead is a HUGE disadvantage, no matter how 'slow" (or 'fast') the pace is.
This was not a race that fell apart late. Treat Gently ran over the top of the field despite the slow pace.

Having the lead is not necessarily a huge disadvantage. It all depends upon race dynamics and distribution of energy; these principles apply in a sport such as track and field (in which I competed) just as they do in horse racing. Why else is that horses that are uncontested on loose leads are so dangerous in races? I'd put them at an advantage, not a disadvantage.
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:39 PM
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This was not a race that fell apart late. Treat Gently ran over the top of the field despite the slow pace.

Having the lead is not necessarily a huge disadvantage. It all depends upon race dynamics and distribution of energy; these principles apply in a sport such as track and field (in which I competed) just as they do in horse racing. Why else is that horses that are uncontested on loose leads are so dangerous in races? I'd put them at an advantage, not a disadvantage.
If those behind them are drafting and move in a timely fashion, rather than prematurely, which is the norm, then the front runner will always be at a disadvantage. Check out the daily results over at the Tour de France. And, actually, the race did kind of fall apart. It was very nearly a 'wipe-out'. I do agree, however, that race dynamics trump 'fast' or 'slow' pace just about every time. But old habits are hard to break.
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