Rachel vs. Zenyatta: Which run the better race?

[VOL JACK]

Rachel- 111 Beyer while carrying equal weight.(121 lbs) beating 2 3yo fillies.

Zenyatta-104 Beyer whille carrying 129 lbs. and conceding up to 16 lbs to
her rivals. On a surface that may or may not be her favorite.

[Cannon Shell]

I just hope the meet in the Personal Ensign at Saratoga or better yet the Woodward.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I just hope the meet in the Personal Ensign at Saratoga or better yet the Woodward.

It wont be Saratoga, Belmont would be likely.

Why should RA even show though no matter where its run, she has everything to lose (HOY) and nothing to gain?

If stepping out of your own division to win against MTB and Musket Man is impressive isnt it just a better idea to run in the Breeders Cup Classic, whats the list of fillies or mares who have won that race the past 25 years?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

It wont be Saratoga, Belmont would be likely.

Why should RA even show though no matter where its run, she has everything to lose (HOY) and nothing to gain?

If stepping out of your own division to win against MTB and Musket Man is impressive isnt it just a better idea to run in the Breeders Cup Classic, whats the list of fillies or mares who have won that race the past 25 years?

Why shouldn't she show up? Will a loss damage her stud career? Remember she is now owned and campaigned by Mr. Sportsman himself! Not to mention that I could sell my clubhouse seats for scalpers prices if they were to match up at the Spa.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why shouldn't she show up? Will a loss damage her stud career? Remember she is now owned and campaigned by Mr. Sportsman himself! Not to mention that I could sell my clubhouse seats for scalpers prices if they were to match up at the Spa.

show up and lose and would lose horse of the year

versus dont show up and its a lock to win horse of the year. It means something to JJ, he stated that repeatedly with Curlin.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

show up and lose and would lose horse of the year

versus dont show up and its a lock to win horse of the year. It means something to JJ, he stated that repeatedly with Curlin.

You think if Rachel Alexandra doesn't beat Zenyatta or win a Breeders' Cup race she's a lock to win HOTY?

She is going to need to beat Zenyatta if she's not gonna show up in the BC in order to win HOTY. Especially if Zenyatta faces males and Moss is obviously willing to do whatever's necessary to win HOTY.

NT

[the_fat_man]

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

Zenyatta by the beyers is actually a pretty slow horse in relation to her record.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

thats funny, you're good. apples and oranges. one beat two horses the other beat the "usuals" . the only way to know is a race. its chancy for RA. zenyatta has age, experience and stamina but the way belmont is playing, speed is king right now. plus, theres got to be more horses. its a joke and not even serious when a grade 1 gets 3. its still free money to finish behind her. they could not get at least 4?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

Interesting number even after the new synth Beyers were instituted, where the top beyers are higher and the lower one's are adjusted more modestly. One must conclude The Beyer for Z was not too impressive if the number is correct otherwise there would be an even greater gap prior to the new synth beyers.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting number even after the new synth Beyers were instituted, where the top beyers are higher and the lower one's are adjusted more modestly. One must conclude The Beyer for Z was not too impressive if the number is correct otherwise there would be an even greater gap prior to the new synth beyers.

By the old (conventional?) speed charts, Zenyatta would have gotten about 100.