4 possible sweet 16 acc/big east matchups

[gales0678]

Pitt/ Florida St - rematch from earlier in the year , pitt won at FSU already, they should be able to handle the 'noles again

Louisville / Wake Forest - I smell trouble here for coach Pitino , i say the 'ville will be the 1st #1 seed out

'nova / duke - jay wright boys send the blue devils home

marquette / md - don't think we will see it

for the #1 overall team in the tournament ths is a terrible draw - coach would much rather have seen gonzaga , xavier , or washington in the sweet 16

is wake really only the 16th best team in the country?


duke a #2 and wake a number #4 - this doesn't add up folks , they tied for 2nd in the acc regular season - they get penalized 2 spots because they lost to MD in the 1st rd of the acc tourney ??? kansas lost to baylor for gosh sakes

louisville got the worst of it hear , this team will be on a mission as they were disrespected by the committee

how is wake not a #3 seed over any of the #3's , doesn't make any sense

[gales0678]

current odds to win the tourney

wake is 22/1 as a #4 seed
here are the other #4's
'zaga 25/1
xavier 100/1
wash 50/1

here are the odds on the #3's to win
'cuse 20/1
mizzou 40/1
kansaa 50/1
villanova 30/1

so the 16th best team in the country is the 10th choice to cut down the nets

[gales0678]

if seeding holds sweet 16 games

Pitt vs Xavier
u conn vs washington
'ville vs wake

Louisville wins the big east regular season and tourney and get the worst possible draw of all the big east #1's , how in the world does this make any sense

does anyone really belive if wash or xavier played in the acc conference they would have gone 11-5 and tied for 2nd?

coach has to be fuming he got the worst possible draw for the sweet 16 of any of the top 4 teams

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Pitt/ Florida St - rematch from earlier in the year , pitt won at FSU already, they should be able to handle the 'noles again

Louisville / Wake Forest - I smell trouble here for coach Pitino , i say the 'ville will be the 1st #1 seed out

'nova / duke - jay wright boys send the blue devils home

marquette / md - don't think we will see it

for the #1 overall team in the tournament ths is a terrible draw - coach would much rather have seen gonzaga , xavier , or washington in the sweet 16

is wake really only the 16th best team in the country?


duke a #2 and wake a number #4 - this doesn't add up folks , they tied for 2nd in the acc regular season - they get penalized 2 spots because they lost to MD in the 1st rd of the acc tourney ??? kansas lost to baylor for gosh sakes

louisville got the worst of it hear , this team will be on a mission as they were disrespected by the committee

how is wake not a #3 seed over any of the #3's , doesn't make any sense

it may have been procedural in the case of Wake I.E. swapped positions with say Syracuse/Villanova since the Big East had 3 #1's they couldn't have a #4 in those regions so one of them got swapped up and Wake down... they're the toughest team to figure for me, could be out in the first round or they could go to the Final Four.

[gales0678]

to me they are live at 22/1 , they will be fresh , they will not be intimadeted at all by louisville , the score and louisville will have to shoot very well from the 3pt arch to beat them , barring a shock in the opeing 2 rds , this game stands out to me in the sweet 16

as for louisville they finish #1 in the country and get rewarded by having to play in the sweet 16 a team that tied for 2nd in the acc , talk about getting hosed compared to what pitt / u conn got

[gales0678]

wake is the toughest matchup for coach against any team in the midwest or west (including u conn) and it's unfair they COULD draw them in the sweet 16

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how is wake not a #3 seed over any of the #3's , doesn't make any sense

Wake was the second to last 3 seed going into the weekend. Syracuse went to their conference championship game and Missouri won their conference tournament. Both got bumped up to 3 seeds and Wake Forest and Washington fell to 4 seeds with poor performance in their conference tourneys. It's as simple as that. Plus 11-5 in the ACC isn't that impressive when you don't even have to play at North Carolina. Change at NC St to at Carolina and they are 10-6 in league, just like Florida State. Duke also finished #1 in the RPI to Wake who finished #16 in the RPI.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Wake was the second to last 3 seed going into the weekend. Syracuse went to their conference championship game and Missouri won their conference tournament. Both got bumped up to 3 seeds and Wake Forest and Washington fell to 4 seeds with poor performance in their conference tourneys. It's as simple as that. Plus 11-5 in the ACC isn't that impressive when you don't even have to play at North Carolina. Change at NC St to at Carolina and they are 10-6 in league, just like Florida State. Duke also finished #1 in the RPI to Wake who finished #16 in the RPI.

again explain to me how they tied with Duke for 2nd in the acc , beat the best team in the country at home , duke loses to Unc at home (i thorw the road game out in chapel hill) and tell me why they are a #4 and duke is a #2, whose to say if wake played at UNC they would have lost in cahpel hill??

duke and wake were 1-1 against each other and both games were
competitive so those wash

so wake loses a spot for losing in the 1st rd and , neither pitt or uconn can fall a spot to a #2 ?


kansas loses to baylor , wake loses to md and kansas gets a three?

and if louisville is #1 , how is wake #16 - explain that one to me?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again explain to me how they tied with Duke for 2nd in the acc , beat the best team in the country at home , duke loses to Unc at home (i thorw the road game out in chapel hill) and tell me why they are a #4 and duke is a #2, whose to say if wake played at UNC they would have lost in cahpel hill??

duke and wake were 1-1 against each other and both games were
competitive so those wash

so wake loses a spot for losing in the 1st rd and , neither pitt or uconn can fall a spot to a #2 ?


kansas loses to baylor , wake loses to md and kansas gets a three?

and if louisville is #1 , how is wake #16 - explain that one to me?

Unbalanced schedule. Since they didn't play at North Carolina you might as well treat them as a 10-6 team instead of 11-5. Even if you want to treat them as 11-5 they still lost first round and finished 11-6. Duke meanwhile went 14-5.

Wake isn't #16, they were #14, Washington was #13. They got bumped down to playing Louisville cause the committee couldn't put them in the same bracket as North Carolina and Duke.

[Scav]

I have Washington in the Final Four this year, we'll see. Big fan of Lorenzo Romar

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

I have Washington in the Final Four this year, we'll see. Big fan of Lorenzo Romar

they basically get the first 2 at home too (not too far from Seattle to Portland). I've got them, Memphis and Purdue as the only possibles from that bracket. Faded UConn due to their best scorer being out.

[gales0678]

again they are #16 - lousiville is the best team in the country according to the polls and according to the comiittee they were the #1 overall seed

if you want to drop wake to a #4 seed , don't drop them to the #16 spot - that's where they are

how in the world are they not in the west facing the worst #1 seed in u conn in the sweet 16???

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again they are #16 - lousiville is the best team in the country according to the polls and according to the comiittee they were the #1 overall seed

if you want to drop wake to a #4 seed , don't drop them to the #16 spot - that's where they are

how in the world are they not in the west facing the worst #1 seed in u conn in the sweet 16???

They aren't #16, they were #14. Here is what the fourth line looked like:

#13 Washington, #14 Wake Forest, #15 Gonzaga, #16 Xavier

#13 Washington gets matched up with #4 Connecticut. You then go to Wake Forest. Wake can not go take on #3 because it is North Carolina. Wake can not go take on #2 because Duke is already in that bracket. So Wake has to go take on #1 Louisville.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Unbalanced schedule. Since they didn't play at North Carolina you might as well treat them as a 10-6 team instead of 11-5. Even if you want to treat them as 11-5 they still lost first round and finished 11-6. Duke meanwhile went 14-5.

Wake isn't #16, they were #14, Washington was #13. They got bumped down to playing Louisville cause the committee couldn't put them in the same bracket as North Carolina and Duke.

They could have put them in the same bracket as Duke since they wouldn't potentially meet until the Elite 8, but they decided not to. I thought the selection committee actually did an outstanding job this year of seeding the teams. The top 4 lines are very balanced. It really looks like they made the effort to get the best positions possible within the rules, and the commissioner said they did spend a lot of time on it this year.

How I had them seeded 1-16 after all the conf tournaments ended:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Michigan State, Kansas
Oklahoma, Syracuse, Missouri, Wake Forest
Villanova, Washington, West Virginia, Florida State
(Gonzaga 17, Xavier 18)

How it looks like the committee seeded them on the S-curve:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Kansas, Syracuse, Villanova, Missouri
Washington, Xavier, Gonzaga, Wake Forest
(Florida State 18, West Virginia ??)

* Keeping in mind they probably had to move West Virginia out of the 4-5 game because they wouldn't be able to face 3 of the 4 #1's until the Elite 8, if at all possible. That's why they're probably the best #6 I've ever seen, and like you said Wake had to be shifted down two on the curve to fit as well.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

They could have put them in the same bracket as Duke since they wouldn't potentially meet until the Elite 8, but they decided not to.

Actually they couldn't:

The first three teams selected from each conference must be placed in different regions. When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final. Before 2006, this was an absolute rule. However, in the summer of 2005, the NCAA changed its rules to allow intraconference matchups as early as the second round of the tournament, assuming all measures to keep the teams apart until the regional finals have been exhausted.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by philcski

* Keeping in mind they probably had to move West Virginia out of the 4-5 game because they wouldn't be able to face 3 of the 4 #1's until the Elite 8, if at all possible. That's why they're probably the best #6 I've ever seen, and like you said Wake had to be shifted down two on the curve to fit as well.

you're absolutely correct. they moved a couple teams down to keep them out of the same 1/2 of a bracket as another team from their conference. I also think that happened to a couple more teams too. I actually saw WV play once this year and if they're on, they are more like a 3 seed, not a 6.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Pitt/ Florida St - rematch from earlier in the year , pitt won at FSU already, they should be able to handle the 'noles again

Louisville / Wake Forest - I smell trouble here for coach Pitino , i say the 'ville will be the 1st #1 seed out

'nova / duke - jay wright boys send the blue devils home

marquette / md - don't think we will see it

for the #1 overall team in the tournament ths is a terrible draw - coach would much rather have seen gonzaga , xavier , or washington in the sweet 16

is wake really only the 16th best team in the country?




duke a #2 and wake a number #4 - this doesn't add up folks , they tied for 2nd in the acc regular season - they get penalized 2 spots because they lost to MD in the 1st rd of the acc tourney ??? kansas lost to baylor for gosh sakes

louisville got the worst of it hear , this team will be on a mission as they were disrespected by the committee

how is wake not a #3 seed over any of the #3's , doesn't make any sense

Could get a Syracuse v. Clemson matchup in the Sweet 16 as well, so that's 5 possibles.

6...BC and WV...