flower alley nothing special

Exceller · #1 08-05-2006, 04:54 PM

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts adn how great he is. that horse is nothing special. a fraud if you ask me. Invasor and Bernardini are much better than anything else. poor Sun King. I hope he gets up one day because he deserves it.

Cajungator26 · #2 08-05-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts. that horse is nothing special. a fraud.

Wouldn't call him a fraud, but he definitely didn't run his race today. I think he's still running.

miraja2 · #3 08-05-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts adn how great he is. that horse is nothing special. a fraud if you ask me. Invasor and Bernardini are much better than anything else. poor Sun King. I hope he gets up one day because he deserves it.

This horse is a tough one to figure sometimes, but I certainly would NOT call him a fraud. If he comes out of this race healthy I wouldn't write him off yet. After winning the Jim Dandy and the Travers last year he ran a clunker like this in the JCGC before rebounding in the BCC. He might not be done just yet.

Exceller · #4 08-05-2006, 05:00 PM

he is no ghostzapper and if you want to take off half of the year and be a horse of the year candidate you better show me more than that.

Dunbar · #5 08-05-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts adn how great he is. that horse is nothing special. a fraud if you ask me. Invasor and Bernardini are much better than anything else. poor Sun King. I hope he gets up one day because he deserves it.

You know, it's a lot easier to say a horse is "nothing special" after a poor performance than before it.

--Dunbar

Cajungator26 · #6 08-05-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

You know, it's a lot easier to say a horse is "nothing special" after a poor performance than before it.

--Dunbar

I've been saying it and have been made fun of because of it. Either way, the horse is not a fraud. He just ran a clunker today. Unfortunately, he can't afford to run clunkers like that and be taken seriously for HOY.

Exceller · #7 08-05-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar

You know, it's a lot easier to say a horse is "nothing special" after a poor performance than before it.

--Dunbar

i never thought he was anything special. a lot of "experts" have been saying he only needs to race 4 times because he is this great horse. invasor is a tested horse that runs.

#8 08-05-2006, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts adn how great he is. that horse is nothing special. a fraud if you ask me. Invasor and Bernardini are much better than anything else. poor Sun King. I hope he gets up one day because he deserves it.

You're never as good as you look when you win ...

... or as bad as you look when you lose.

Nonetheless ... Flower Alley was ... and is ... vastly overrated.

It's the Pletcher goo-goo factor at work.

Exceller · #9 08-05-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You're never as good as you look when you win ...

... or as bad as you look when you lose.

Nonetheless ... Flower Alley was ... and is ... vastly overrated.

It's the Pletcher goo-goo factor at work.

you got it. pletcher goo-goo factor at work. i just thought the lack of respect for a horse coming off two grade 1 wins easily was ridiculous. flower alley is a very good horse but i tire of these experts telling us you can win horse of the year off 4 starts. i loved GZ but even with him 4 starts was ridiculous. he did have a soundness issue as an excuse.

flower alley literally sat around and got fat doing nothing and we were all told to worship him.

Cajungator26 · #10 08-05-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

you got it. pletcher goo-goo factor at work. i just thought the lack of respect for a horse coming off two grade 1 wins easily was ridiculous. flower alley is a very good horse but i tire of these experts telling us you can win horse of the year off 4 starts. i loved GZ but even with him 4 starts was ridiculous. he did have a soundness issue as an excuse.

flower alley literally sat around and got fat doing nothing and we were all told to worship him.

The horse deserved 3 months off. As long as he's not hurt, he'll come better his next one out. With that said, I've never been that impressed with him and I like Invasor a lot better.

#11 08-05-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

flower alley literally sat around and got fat doing nothing and we were all told to worship him.

Isn't it amazing to see ...

... how some trainers actually believe that their horses will improve by standing in a stall for nine months?

Pletcher has never trained a colt to be a consistent winner at classic distances on dirt ... despite hundreds and hundreds of opportunities ... and it's looking more and more like he never will.

Cajungator26 · #12 08-05-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Isn't it amazing to see ...

... how some trainers actually believe that their horses will improve by standing in a stall for nine months?

Pletcher has never trained a colt to be a consistent winner at classic distances on dirt ... despite hundreds and hundreds of opportunities ... and it's looking more and more like he never will.

Oh please... the colt was off for 3 months NOT 9 months.

Exceller · #13 08-05-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Oh please... the colt was off for 3 months NOT 9 months.

bb is right. no race for 9 months.

Downthestretch55 · #14 08-05-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Isn't it amazing to see ...

... how some trainers actually believe that their horses will improve by standing in a stall for nine months?

Pletcher has never trained a colt to be a consistent winner at classic distances on dirt ... despite hundreds and hundreds of opportunities ... and it's looking more and more like he never will.

More words of "wisdom" from Bold Fraud.
Never puts out a winner.
Always picks the loser.
Criticizes the leading trainer at Saratoga.
And gets his "facts" wrong again.

What would you expect from a bum that lives in a cardboard box under the Cros Bronx Expressway and makes his "living" shining windshields on the exit ramp.
I really hope the library kicks him out so he won't be able to post his nonsense here anymore.

Total constipated BS.
When he lets go, the NYC sewers will be blocked up for months.

Gander · #15 08-05-2006, 08:11 PM

Trainers have said before there horse werent 100% coming into a race and they have looked extraordinary and won races, so I kind of get a little suspect of an excuse before the race even starts. Todd was right and I guess we as bettors should applaud him saying that. I didnt use him at all but still lost.

But how freaking long did he have to get ready for this race? Pletcher had this whole campaign mapped out before the year even started and cant get a horse in shape for a 750K race? If I were the owners I wouldnt be too happy with that.

Gander · #16 08-05-2006, 08:12 PM

Sorry I left out Invasor. Sure, if he went on to win the BC Classic, why not.
Basicall whoever wins the BC Classic out of Lava Man, Bernardini and Invasor.

Danzig · #17 08-05-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Sorry I left out Invasor. Sure, if he went on to win the BC Classic, why not.
Basicall whoever wins the BC Classic out of Lava Man, Bernardini and Invasor.

bernardini has to get thru the travers first.

things are really starting to get exciting.

Danzig · #18 08-05-2006, 08:16 PM

maybe the horse isn't the horse everyone thought he was....maybe he was done maturing last fall. and now everyone else has passed him. or maybe he just had an off day. wait and see what everyone has to say about him...wait and see what he does next. we've all seen horses fail to live up to their expectations. some of them come back and wow everyone again, others cause ulcers in the future!
he certainly had a lot of hype all year. at this point he looks undeserving of all the accolades. it's kind of funny he's gotten so much praise, he's only won one race (the salvator mile) since the travers a year ago. one win in a year. i think a lot of people got way ahead of themselves with this guy.

paisjpq · #19 08-05-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

maybe the horse isn't the horse everyone thought he was....maybe he was done maturing last fall. and now everyone else has passed him. or maybe he just had an off day. wait and see what everyone has to say about him...wait and see what he does next. we've all seen horses fail to live up to their expectations. some of them come back and wow everyone again, others cause ulcers in the future!
he certainly had a lot of hype all year. at this point he looks undeserving of all the accolades. it's kind of funny he's gotten so much praise, he's only won one race (the salvator mile) since the travers a year ago. one win in a year. i think a lot of people got way ahead of themselves with this guy.

Agreed. Completely.

#20 08-06-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Exceller

i have been reading all of the nonsene posted on this board about this horse by the so called experts adn how great he is. that horse is nothing special. a fraud if you ask me. Invasor and Bernardini are much better than anything else. poor Sun King. I hope he gets up one day because he deserves it.

How in the world canyou bash a horse who has won a grade one when the stable you belong to has been taking investor's money for years and never even won ONE grade one. Flower Alley has won more Grade One stakes than your stable has in its existence. Isn't that hysterical? LOL!!!