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09-25-2008, 07:49 AM
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Breeders' Cup Fan Fantasy: The Sprint
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09-25-2008, 08:07 AM
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Oy vay..
Once you vote you get to see the current (laughable) results... Has Kona Gold, (who took 4 tries to get it right and by a nostril at that), and paved Gulfstream highway Sprint winner Artax leading Precisionist... the hands down, obvious top choice...
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09-25-2008, 08:26 AM
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Obviously I agree that Precisionist was probably the best overall winner of the Sprint in history but I think you need to peruse Artax's pps from that year. He was a completely deserving winner of the Sprint and had a fabulous year to back it up.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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09-25-2008, 09:03 AM
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Plus, once he came east in '99, I remember him being unable to beat a bunch of good sprinters all year.. Intidab in the A Phenomenon I think. Several including Affirmed Success in the Forego.. I think Kelly Kip beat him at Belmont in the spring (or maybe AQU in April? etc.. (I suppose he wins the Maryland BC Sprint H. on Preakness Day if not for the nutbar that took the swing at him..  )
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09-25-2008, 09:09 AM
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Artax lost 6 in a row that year - but his figures were outstanding even in a few of those defeats - and very high in his victorys. I believe his half length win the in the Sprint over KG got a 123 Beyer.
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09-25-2008, 09:13 AM
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09-25-2008, 09:10 AM
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By the way, he DESTROYED the fields in the Vosburgh and Forest Hills at Belmont prepping for the BC...
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09-25-2008, 09:29 AM
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Artax is a difficult one for me to judge. When he was on his game, he was incredible. Even when he lost some of the races he lost, he ran very well. But the thing that always will bother me about him is that even in that championship year, he lost more than he won. When I think of champions and dominating performers, it's hard for me to go with a horse that loses more than he wins. His Sprint may have been the single best of all of the sprints though but I don't think it's a clear best. I thought Cherokee Run's race was huge in beating a returning champ in Cardmania and a super filly in Soviet Problem. And what about Very Subtle completely dominating the race as a 3yo filly? I think I'd go with Cherokee Run's as the best win, Precisionist as the best horse to win the race and Artax as the best sprinter when he ran his best race. One that I thought was underrated and didn't get selected was Reraise. I never have thought he got the credit he's deserved.
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09-25-2008, 09:43 AM
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There is simply no way Cherokee Run's win was as good as Artax's either. I believe CR got something like a 110 Beyer - compared to the 123 for Artax. Artax broke Mr. Prospector's long standing track record and defeated two of the best sprinters of the 90's in Kona Gold and Big Jag. Soviet Problem was a super No Cal filly and was beaten only a head - and Cardmania was a 22/1 shot 3rd place finisher - who hadn't won a race in ten months prior to that BC Sprint - and was defeated in each of his 7 starts following that race before retiring.
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09-25-2008, 08:46 AM
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Precisionist would clearly be the best overall horse of the 8 - however - I'd have a big problem voting for him in something like this.
He won the Breeders Cup Sprint in '85 - his prior sprint race was a 6th place finish - albeit beaten just 3.25 lengths in the Potrero Grande. Just four weeks after his BC Sprint win - he was 4th in a Grade 3 Stake going 6 furlongs at 2/5 odds. He was off the board in 6 of his 10 lifetime stake sprint races. If you are talking best individual performance ever in a Breeders Cup Sprint win - I think it's pretty clear that Artax would be the winner. If you are talking best overall Breeders Cup Sprint resume - Kona Gold is the right horse. He ran in the glory years of the race - when the sprint division was just loaded. I haven't paid much attention to these things - so I'm not sure if they're looking for the best overall horse, or best winning performance in the race, or best overall collection of races in the history of the race. You have a different cut and dry winner in all three I think.
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09-25-2008, 08:50 AM
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#12
09-25-2008, 07:14 PM
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i was thinking Midnight lute
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#13
09-25-2008, 07:21 PM
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He ran a 123 Beyer in the Forego in his start prior to the BC Sprint - which, I believe, was the fastest sprint figure since Artax's BC Sprint win.
I think he won the BC Sprint inspite of the fact that 6fs is a little sharp for him. I remember nailing the ML over Idiot Proof straight exacta in that race - and if Benny The Bull had been able to nab Talent Search for 3rd - I would have made a killing with a cold punch tri.
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