Bernardini ?

[jcs11204]

Just curious of what everyone thinks of him, what is his place in history ?
I just watched replays of all of his races and he was a freak, and no shame at all with that loss to Invasor.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

What is his place in history ?

In my opinion he was a pretty good colt who unfortunately is also a top contender in the "Most Overrated Horse of the Decade" category.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

In my opinion he was a pretty good colt who unfortunately is also a top contender in the "Most Overrated Horse of the Decade" category.

I don't think he can be a top contender as long as there are still people out there that think Barbaro or Big Brown were better.

[richard burch]

i think we should be discussing invasor's place in history.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by richard burch

i think we should be discussing invasor's place in history.

Conquerer of AP Arrow and Wanderin Boy as well as the racehorse formerly known as Premium Tap (who beat Sun King at 18-1 in an overnight stakes).

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Conquerer of AP Arrow and Wanderin Boy as well as the racehorse formerly known as Premium Tap (who beat Sun King at 18-1 in an overnight stakes).

Hey, don't forget that Invasor beat Wild Desert also, who was capable of working out when he really didn't.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Hey, don't forget that Invasor beat Wild Desert also, who was capable of working out when he really didn't.

NT

i think bernardini was better then invasor

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think bernardini was better then invasor

You are one of the very few people I've ever encountered who routinely proclaims that horses who are beaten by other horses are better than them in general. In the last two weeks you said the runner-up in the NY (Dynaforce?) is better than Mauralakana, that Proud Spell is better than Music Note and now Bernardini is better than Invasor.

I'll agree that the best horse often gets beat on a given day but I cannot possibly agree that Bernardini was better than Invasor. In fact, I can't event imagine what you'd use to substantiate that notion. Don't even try to say that Bernardini didn't show up in the Classic because he ran basically the exact same race he had all summer and fall and still lost.

NT

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think bernardini was better then invasor

read this and think again...bernardini couldn't carry invasor's feed bucket!!!

006 Breeders' Cup

On November 4, 2006 Invasor, ridden by Fernando Jara, won the $5 million Breeders' Cup Classic at Churchill Downs, Kentucky. The field included favored Bernardini, second favorite Lava Man, and European three-year-old champion George Washington. Invasor, under the guidance of the 18-year-old jockey Jara, passed Bernardini in the home stretch, defeating Bernardini by a length. This win essentially secured the Eclipse Awards for Older Male Horse and Horse of the Year.


2007 Season
On February 3rd, 2007, Invasor won his fifth successive Grade I victory in the Donn Handicap at Gulfstream Park. Coming from off the pace, he was virtually stopped when Barcola, the long-shot pacesetter, began backing up. Under jockey Fernando Jara, Invasor was forced to check. Trying to angle off the rail he was still blocked, clipping heels with Barcola. Coming into the stretch, Invasor and Jara found the hole they needed and squeezed through, achieving a two length victory over Hesanoldsalt ridden by Rafael Bejarano.


2007 Dubai World Cup

On March 31, 2007 Invasor, again ridden by Fernando Jara, took the $6 million Dubai World Cup in the United Arab Emirates against his rival Discreet Cat. His time of 1:59.97 for 2,000 meters was the second fastest in the race's history, exceeded only by Dubai Millennium's time of 1:59.50 in 2000. Discreet Cat finished last by 23 lengths, but a very game Premium Tap, who had led the pace, battled Invasor in the stretch for place with the Hong Kong horse, Bullish Luck, third

Retirement

Invasor was retired on June 23, 2007[1] due to the fracture of a bone in an area he had injured when he was younger. He will stand at stud at Shadwell Farm in Lexington, Kentucky for the 2008 season.

B] The one race he lost, he finished fourth. His career earnings were $7,804,070.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think bernardini was better then invasor

i actually agree with this statement! Good Jub!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Seriously?

lolol
YES SIR

Summon Kyrim

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He made 8 starts. What kind of a place could he really have in history? He was a nice horse, but he is one of many from this era that it's hard to say because we didn't get to see enough of them on the track.

i think he was the best of the horses that we did not see enough of...but i do agree with what you say, what kind of place can he really have ? thats why i asked

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i think he was the best of the horses that we did not see enough of...but i do agree with what you say, what kind of place can he really have ? thats why i asked

Dude he isn't part of history..Other then being on Abe's list that is

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Dude he isn't part of history..

Hurry Up JAVY saw to that.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hurry Up JAVY saw to that.

I respect your opinion a lot and recognize you have a great deal of knowledge about racing but jockeys aren't typically as responsible for horses failures as horses. A nice colt ran a few very smart races.. I would have loved to watch the Preakness that day instead of being so upset. It might have been a great race, maybe like the two hanging on my wall from 89?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hurry Up JAVY saw to that.

He thought they were racing to the quarter pole. Just another over-confident ride by a jock that thinks they cant get beat no matter what.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hurry Up JAVY saw to that.

your wrong, javy appeared to be empty in that race, what was he supposed to do ? plus invasor backed that win up in giant way, coming back to win the dubai world cup and donn... no shame in that loss