bad day at CD

[jwkniska]

Two horses had to be put down and Bridgmohan and to go to the hospital. At least he didn't get any serious injuries.
Unfortunately, this is the last thing CD needs... is more bad press.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=3455452

[parsixfarms]

The horse that broke down in the first race and was subsequently euthanized (Vinstar) was a $700,000 Vindication dropping in to a $50,000 maiden claiming race off a credible MSW race in which he ran a 74 Beyer in his first start of the year. All the signs were that this horse had a hole in him. Perhaps Jess Jackson should look in the mirror before questioning how others take care of their horses.

[Alan07]

Boy a lot of jockeys are getting injured

[wac]

What an awful day, glad i wasnt there. Your right thats the lst thing that CD needs at this time. Just sux for all involved.

Headline on Drudge.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The horse that broke down in the first race and was subsequently euthanized (Vinstar) was a $700,000 Vindication dropping in to a $50,000 maiden claiming race off a credible MSW race in which he ran a 74 Beyer in his first start of the year. All the signs were that this horse had a hole in him. Perhaps Jess Jackson should look in the mirror before questioning how others take care of their horses.

Be interesting to see if J Jackson makes K Ramsey eat the claim.
I bet I know the answer if the roles were reversed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Be interesting to see if J Jackson makes K Ramsey eat the claim.
I bet I know the answer if the roles were reversed.

if you claim a horse, he's yours-but you can buy claimer insurance in case something like this happens. not that it does that horse any good.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The horse that broke down in the first race and was subsequently euthanized (Vinstar) was a $700,000 Vindication dropping in to a $50,000 maiden claiming race off a credible MSW race in which he ran a 74 Beyer in his first start of the year. All the signs were that this horse had a hole in him. Perhaps Jess Jackson should look in the mirror before questioning how others take care of their horses.

TOTALLY AGREE... i thought this horse was a lock, but did not wager because of the highly questionable drop.... this makes me sick

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

TOTALLY AGREE... i thought this horse was a lock, but did not wager because of the highly questionable drop.... this makes me sick

So he wasn't a lock then..

Was sad to see Vinstar go down though. Didn't look good from the outset.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So he wasn't a lock then..

Was sad to see Vinstar go down though. Didn't look good from the outset.

We all can be "mad as hell, and we'll not take it anymore."

I think 95% of us here love horses, and about 95% of us here love to bet horses.

I've done both for longer than most of you have been around.


These trainers and owners and breeders need to back it down.

It's still be racing, even with sturdily bred horses.


Kinda like a NASCAR restrictor plate race.....but a whole lot better.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

We all can be "mad as hell, and we'll not take it anymore."

I think 95% of us here love horses, and about 95% of us here love to bet horses.

I've done both for longer than most of you have been around.


These trainers and owners and breeders need to back it down.

It's still be racing, even with sturdily bred horses.


Kinda like a NASCAR restrictor plate race.....but a whole lot better.

I had a colonoscopy once that was a whole lot better than NASCAR.

And I assure you, I don't like things going in my ass.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The horse that broke down in the first race and was subsequently euthanized (Vinstar) was a $700,000 Vindication dropping in to a $50,000 maiden claiming race off a credible MSW race in which he ran a 74 Beyer in his first start of the year. All the signs were that this horse had a hole in him. Perhaps Jess Jackson should look in the mirror before questioning how others take care of their horses.

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

Unfair how? He's the owner. He's responsible, or at least his racing manager is. You think Asmussen just decided to enter this $700K yearling for $50K without getting the OK from Jackson or one of his representatives?? Off the horse's first race of the year (74 Beyer), it's hard to believe that this horse would be tagged for $50K without there being a serious (soundness) issue and the owner being made aware of it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Unfair how? He's the owner. He's responsible, or at least his racing manager is. You think Asmussen just decided to enter this $700K yearling for $50K without getting the OK from Jackson or one of his representatives?? Off the horse's first race of the year (74 Beyer), it's hard to believe that this horse would be tagged for $50K without there being a serious (soundness) issue and the owner being made aware of it.

Ass told someone the horse sucked and would never be any good entered him for a tag. There is nothing Jackson can do in this situation..He can't demand to see the test results he has to do want the guy who is making him look good tells him to do ..ASS is winning a lot with Curlin I am sure ASS gets to do what he says is in Jackson's best interest..You can't just retire every horse that had an injury.. And his yearling price is kind of irrelavant

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Ass told someone the horse sucked and would never be any good entered him for a tag. There is nothing Jackson can do in this situation..He can't demand to see the test results he has to do want the guy who is making him look good tells him to do ..ASS is winning a lot with Curlin I am sure ASS gets to do what he says is in Jackson's best interest..You can't just retire every horse that had an injury.. And his yearling price is kind of irrelavant

There's nothing Jackson can do? Come on, you're smarter than that. The trainer can't run him there unless the owner lets him. Yes, he's winning with Curlin, but that doesn't mean Asmussen gets to do whatever he wants. Asmussen works for Jackson; it's not the other way around.

I agree that you can't retire every horse that had an injury. That's not the point here. Here's an expensive yearling that ran a 2008 debut race that suggested he's worth far more than $50K unless he had a hole in him. I suppose you think that the suspicious drop in for a tag and the fact that the horse broke down are purely coincidental.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You think Jess Jackson had a friggin clue about one of 100 horses he owns... Totally unfair...What is suppose to do find a nice home for the colt instead of trying to get him back to racing at some level..

why should he, or any owner, get a pass for this? it's crap like this 'oh, too many horses-can't keep track' mindset that has caused a lot of the issues that racing and its' fans are facing today. if he can't pay attention to his stock, then he shouldn't have any! whether he paid $10 or $10 million, if the horse had no business on the track, he shouldn't have been there. the horse was thrown away basically--but since it's owned by curlin's owner, it's ok?!?! bullsh!t.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why should he, or any owner, get a pass for this? it's crap like this 'oh, too many horses-can't keep track' mindset that has caused a lot of the issues that racing and its' fans are facing today. if he can't pay attention to his stock, then he shouldn't have any! whether he paid $10 or $10 million, if the horse had no business on the track, he shouldn't have been there. the horse was thrown away basically--but since it's owned by curlin's owner, it's ok?!?! bullsh!t.

The truth of the matter is that the majority of owners don't know what is going on with their horses. They trust their trainer and let him make the decisions. The trainer may not even tell the owner if the horse has a problem

That's not always the case. There are some owners who are very actively involved. There are some trainers that tell their owners everything. They will tell their owners exactly what is wrong with their horse. If a horse comes back from a work with a slightly puffy ankle, they will tell their owners immediately.

I don't know the relationship between Jackson and Asmussen and I don't know how actively Jackson is involved. I don't know if Asmussen tells Jackson when a horse has a problem.

But I would say that in general, when you have one of these big-time, smooth talking trainers working for a really rich guy that doesn't know much about horses, the owner will usually know very little about what is going on physically with his horses.