O'Neil Refuses to Put Horses in Detention

[Rupert Pupkin]

Once again, Doug O'Neil had a horse test in excess of the permitted levels of bicarbonates. That's a real shock. LOL. The rules stipulate that he will have to have his horses run out of the detentiona barn. He said that he doesn't want to run out of the detention barn. So Hollywood Park said, "Ok, if you don't want to then you don't have to."

I have never heard of such a thing. I didn't know that you don't have to receive a punishment if you don't want to. Punishments are no longer mandatory. Unbelievable.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95463.html

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Once again, Doug O'Neil had a horse test in excess of the permitted levels of bicarbonates. That's a real shock. LOL. The rules stipulate that he will have to have his horses run out of the detentiona barn. He said that he doesn't want to run out of the detention barn. So Hollywood Park said, "Ok, if you don't want to then you don't have to."

I have never heard of such a thing. I didn't know that you don't have to receive a punishment if you don't want to. Punishments are no longer mandatory. Unbelievable.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95463.html

No he doesn't have the right to decline punishment -- he has the right to a hearing. The process laid out forgot about that one I guess.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

No he doesn't have the right to decline punishment -- he has the right to a hearing. The process laid out forgot about that one I guess.

Eric

He can have all the hearings that he wants, but in the meantime he should be running out of the detention barn.

In the real world, if you get arrested for something, you are held in jail even before your hearing. Yes, you get a trial but if you do not post bail then you sit in jail while you are awaiting your trial. In some cases, where the public is at risk, there is no bail.

[ateamstupid]

My guess is that Hollywood feels like they need O'Neill more than O'Neill needs them (I don't think that's the case, considering how terribly his horses run elsewhere).

[ELA]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

My guess is that Hollywood feels like they need O'Neill more than O'Neill needs them (I don't think that's the case, considering how terribly his horses run elsewhere).

You know, I always thought that had something to do with it. However, many officials, trainers, owners, etc. tell me that it really doesn't. How many horses do you think the race office loses? The answer is probably none or close to none.

I am sure there is more to the political aspect of this, but I'd be curious as to how it plays out.

Eric

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I don't understand why people don't think abrupt changes in form could be caused by this. O'neil, Sadler, Mitchell, Mullins, Canani, and Cerin have all been caught doing it.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He can have all the hearings that he wants, but in the meantime he should be running out of the detention barn.

In the real world, if you get arrested for something, you are held in jail even before your hearing. Yes, you get a trial but if you do not post bail then you sit in jail while you are awaiting your trial. In some cases, where the public is at risk, there is no bail.

Poor comparison and not accurate, but that's neither here nor there. Regardless, that's not the way the current system works -- anywhere, I think. I am sure there is some infraction or crime so to speak that would not allow a hearing or an appeal, but even major positive tests have the appeal process.

Personally, I think there should be more integrity in the process. Positive test, appeal -- then there must be an appeal, hearing, whatever, within a certain period of time. That way there is no "banking" of days or deferral of any type. Besides uniform medication rules, there needs to be an overhaul of the process, penalties, etc.

Eric

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ELA

Poor comparison and not accurate, but that's neither here nor there. Regardless, that's not the way the current system works -- anywhere, I think. I am sure there is some infraction or crime so to speak that would not allow a hearing or an appeal, but even major positive tests have the appeal process.

Personally, I think there should be more integrity in the process. Positive test, appeal -- then there must be an appeal, hearing, whatever, within a certain period of time. That way there is no "banking" of days or deferral of any type. Besides uniform medication rules, there needs to be an overhaul of the process, penalties, etc.

Eric

Poor comparison and not accurate? How so? Before the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty, where was he? He was in jail. Why was he is jail before his trial? Because that is the way the law works.

Doug O'Neil will get a hearing. Nobody wants to deny him a hearing. But in the meantime, he needs to run out of the detention barn. That is the way it works in California and that is why people are furious about this. People are furious that Hollywood Park won't enforce the rule. As Ateam said, the main reason Hollywood won't enforce the rule is because Doug O'Neil has a ton of horses and if his horses don't run then there will be smaller fields. He runs 3-4 horses every day on average.

[Danzig]

except for the occasional murder suspect or flight risk, most are out of jail while awaiting trial. so unless o'neill is killing horses, i can see why they aren't punishing him while everything moves along-slowly.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Poor comparison and not accurate? How so? Before the jury found OJ Simpson not guilty, where was he? He was in jail. Why was he is jail before his trial? Because that is the way the law works.

Doug O'Neil will get a hearing. Nobody wants to deny him a hearing. But in the meantime, he needs to run out of the detention barn. That is the way it works in California and that is why people are furious about this. People are furious that Hollywood Park won't enforce the rule. As Ateam said, the main Hollywood won't enforce the rule is because Doug O'Neil has a ton of horses and if his horses don't run then there will be smaller fields. He runs 3-4 horses every day.

Rupert,
You picked a capital crime... murder. That's pretty much the only alleged offense that is not bailable. O'Neill is probably less of a flight risk than O.J. was.

[Danzig]

"The $16,200 purse earned by Chicks Rule was redistributed earlier this year. At the time, O'Neill feared that Chicks Rule had been the victim of tampering."

yeah, i bet she was a victim of tampering...