Good Luck, Joe Torre

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 06-01-2008, 08:47 PM

You got a tough job doing something with that bunch of guys n' gals. Just a bad combination of players. When a starter throws a decent 6 or 7 innings, they have a tiny lead, and half the time Broxton is giving the game away(because he isn't man enough to just come in and throw heat.) Then ya got Saito throwing a game away. Once that happens, how many quality starts do you think guys are gunna give you? ( if you piss away their hard work.) The offense is just not there, but when ya pitchers(your strength) aren't doing their jobs, then you have nothing. Can't believe this Honeysuck is still getting checks for doing nothing. Mets fans, you need to be calm, because when the Dodgers quit like this, it can make ya look like your better than you are. Maybe your coming around, and maybe you aren't. You can't go by beating the Dodgers right now. When they quit, then that's it. They just lay down until they can find some bad pitching to hit.

MaTH716 · #2 06-01-2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You got a tough job doing something with that bunch of guys n' gals. Just a bad combination of players. When a starter throws a decent 6 or 7 innings, they have a tiny lead, and half the time Broxton is giving the game away(because he isn't man enough to just come in and throw heat.) Then ya got Saito throwing a game away. Once that happens, how many quality starts do you think guys are gunna give you? ( if you piss away their hard work.) The offense is just not there, but when ya pitchers(your strength) aren't doing their jobs, then you have nothing. Can't believe this Honeysuck is still getting checks for doing nothing. Mets fans, you need to be calm, because when the Dodgers quit like this, it can make ya look like your better than you are. Maybe your coming around, and maybe you aren't. You can't go by beating the Dodgers right now. When they quit, then that's it. They just lay down until they can find some bad pitching to hit.

Yesterday was awful, They ruined a very good outing by Billingsley. It seemed that they had men on base all game but only ended up with 2 runs off that hack Pelfrey. Just forget about Santana tonight. Go home and hope to win a few games against a injured/bad rockies team, before the hottest team in the leauge comes in.

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 06-01-2008, 09:45 PM

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Yesterday was awful, They ruined a very good outing by Billingsley. It seemed that they had men on base all game but only ended up with 2 runs off that hack Pelfrey. Just forget about Santana tonight. Go home and hope to win a few games against a injured/bad rockies team, before the hottest team in the leauge comes in.

Offensively, they suck. So, they aren't going anywhere, but they risk not even being a .500 team when they don't protect good efforts by starting pitchers. Take, for instance, great efforts by Kuroda(last Tuesday,) Lowe(last Wednesday,) and Billingsley(yesterday.) Broxton pissed away two of those, and Saito the other one. If these two were bad, then I could understand it. Anybody who watched Broxton pitch on Wednesday night saw how good he is when he takes the dress off, and just throws the ball by people. He gets way too much of the plate with any of his ***** pitches. So, the guy just needs to go in there and humm it, because that finesse crap is no good. I blame Martin, Torre, and especially Honeysuck for letting this guy throw anything but the heat (right now.) They seem to be letting this guy call his own pitches, and this guy is a fat Georgia ****** that has barely got a brain. How can you choose to throw that soft **** in the center of the plate? When you've got a 96-98 mph heater? He is a ******. Who would favor that soft crap that fools nobody?

MaTH716 · #4 06-02-2008, 06:41 AM

Being a Yankees fan, he reminds me of a young Kyle Farnsworth. And I always end up saying to myself "How can a guy that throws 97 suck so badly!" I guess Broxton is going down that same road and eventually end up in Torre's doghouse ala Farnsworth.

Cannon Shell · #5 06-02-2008, 10:10 AM

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Being a Yankees fan, he reminds me of a young Kyle Farnsworth. And I always end up saying to myself "How can a guy that throws 97 suck so badly!" I guess Broxton is going down that same road and eventually end up in Torre's doghouse ala Farnsworth.

Getting in Torre's doghouse may save him. Torre just kills his bullpen by going to the same guy every day a la Scott Proctor who at one time was a promising bridge guy who Torre just killed in NY. Farnsworth throws hard but flat and as Scuds would say has no intestinal fortitude. Broxton is going to be ok.

The Dodgers have a distinct lack of power in the middle of the lineup (A. Jones was supposed to help but we know how thats working out) They dont have a really feared hitter to build a lineup around and a guy that can change things in a hurry. Kemp may wind up being that kind of guy eventually but not yet. If he could cut down his strikeouts a bit he could be scary. Ethier and Loney are good hitters but not real power guys. Kent looks like he is done.

The big issue for this year is the fall of Brad Penny. He has been awful for a guy who won 16 games the last 2 years. Lowe is getting more hittable which is a bad sign. Kuroda is ok. Chan Ho has risen from the dead but how long can that last.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 06-02-2008, 11:00 AM

Yes, the biggest surprise is not that Broxton is being Jeckyl n' Hyde (this is actually his usual, and we thought 2 years ago that he would eventually take the dress off.) Penny is the surprise. To be honest, there is no way he isn't gunna get hit hard. He is throwing it right smack down the center of the plate. You couldn't get more of the plate, and it's flat. I can't tell ya exactly what's changed ( because Charlie Steiner n' Lyons do the road games

,) but I would guess the velocity is down as well. He might have to be shut down. Will learn more this week, because Scully will be all over it (unlike the road game pair of

.) I don't think KEMP is ever going to hit good pitching. Unfortunately, with this team, it really is a case of guys that aren't talented enough to hit good pitching. As soon as they get bad pitching to hit, they come alive (Heilman the other night.) Ethier might be able to, and Martin may be able to hit .250 against good pitching. LONEY/ KEMP will never hit good pitching. They will always hit bad pitching (like white on rice.) We need Furcal back very badly. That's the main thing which changed. If you look at how they've done since he got hurt, then you'd see how important that player is to this team. A healthy, productive FURCAL can mean as much as 15 games a year for this team.