For all the Big Brown Boneheads

[SniperSB23]

For all of you convinced this is some sort of superhorse, please fork over $31.50 and buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/Champions-Perf...1429919&sr=1-3

I promise it will be the best $31.50 you ever spend. For anyone else on here that doesn't have this but might not be drinking the Big Brown brainwashing brew it is a steal for $31.50.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

For all of you convinced this is some sort of superhorse, please fork over $31.50 and buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/Champions-Perf...1429919&sr=1-3

I promise it will be the best $31.50 you ever spend. For anyone else on here that doesn't have this but might not be drinking the Big Brown brainwashing brew it is a steal for $31.50.

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

not me.

i just ordered it elsewhere for $60.00. can't wait to read the chapter on big brown.

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

Just how many more races do you think he's going to run?

And how many races does it take to become a superhorse?

And why don't you post under your main account?

[RollerDoc]

And why don't you post under your main account?[/quote]

This is the only account I have. What do you mean?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

You just confessed you don't know what a Beyer is in another thread. You're either a troll or completely clueless on what a superhorse is. Either way buy this book and it will be the best $31.50 you can spend.

I have no interest in a TC winner for a bunch of money hungry owners, a cheating trainer, a horse that had no real 2yo campaign, no 4yo campaign, and did nothing amazing as a 3yo outside of beating up on a crappy crop. Call me crazy but to ask for one of these expectations to be filled for the first TC winner in 30 years doesn't seem too much to ask.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You just confessed you don't know what a Beyer is in another thread. You're either a troll or completely clueless on what a superhorse is. Either way buy this book and it will be the best $31.50 you can spend.

I have no interest in a TC winner for a bunch of money hungry owners, a cheating trainer, a horse that had no real 2yo campaign, no 4yo campaign, and did nothing amazing as a 3yo outside of beating up on a crappy crop. Call me crazy but to ask for one of these expectations to be filled for the first TC winner in 30 years doesn't seem too much to ask.

Not a troll at all. Just not as advanced as the majority it seems. I like Big Brown because he was so impressive at Fl. Derby so I've picked him twice. Both $200 bets to win in The Derby and Preakness in which I won $480 and under $50 respectively. Maybe I am a "moron" for making the Preakness bet, but I felt very confident he would win. It makes me enjoy the race knowing there is a little action on it. Even if he lost, big deal, it is $200. I can afford it so why does that make me a moron. I guess I can take some of my Big Brown winnings and buy the book

One other point is we are talking about how good Big Brown is or isn't? I know it is important to want to like the owners or trainers and while they are suspect, let's not let that take away from Big Brown (who is the one actually competing). He shouldn't be penalized because of his connections being suspect.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not a troll at all. Just not as advanced as the majority it seems. I like Big Brown because he was so impressive at Fl. Derby so I've picked him twice. Both $200 bets to win in The Derby and Preakness in which I won $480 and under $50 respectively. Maybe I am a "moron" for making the Preakness bet, but I felt very confident he would win. It makes me enjoy the race knowing there is a little action on it. Even if he lost, big deal, it is $200. I can afford it so why does that make me a moron. I guess I can take some of my Big Brown winnings and buy the book

One other point is we are talking about how good Big Brown is or isn't? I know it is important to want to like the owners or trainers and while they are suspect, let's not let that take away from Big Brown (who is the one actually competing). He shouldn't be penalized because of his connections being suspect.

The owners and trainers are extraneous factors. If we are going to have another Triple Crown winner then let it be a horse that wowed as a 2yo or 4yo or a horse that has showed some amazing ability at 3. In the absence of all of those then let them at least have a likable owner or trainer. This horse goes 0 for 5 and it is why I think he's the exact wrong horse to break the 30 year slump on TC winners (and probably why he will).

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

What, exactly, is a superhorse? I thought it was a phrase that people in the mainstream media who know nothing about racing use to describe whatever horse they heard of most recently.

One can be both excited about Big Brown having a shot at the TC, and skeptical about how good he actually is. I don't think you have to be one or the other.

[pick4]

Champions: The Lives, Times, and Past Performances of the 20th Century's Greatest Throughbreds is book every serious horse racing fan should have.

I don't have the updated edition but the the original tells just as good of story of the way horseracing was. Comparing todays horses to the greats from years past is pointless. The breed is not the same. The owners are of a different breed too. In many cases the insurance cost of running your horse outweigh the financial benefits of running the horse. Today horse racing's establishment races to breed when in years past it was the opposite.

Big Brown is on the cusp of winning one of the most elusive prizes in sports today. The only other Triple Crown that might be harder to achieve is Major League Baseballs TC. I think it was Carl Yastrzemski who was baseballs last Triple Crown winner and that was in 1967, and he played in Fenway Park. If Big Brown wins the Belmont he should be considered a great horse because he will have accomplished a great feat that many others have tried to accomplish but came up short.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by pick4

Champions: The Lives, Times, and Past Performances of the 20th Century's Greatest Throughbreds is book every serious horse racing fan should have.

I don't have the updated edition but the the original tells just as good of story of the way horseracing was. Comparing todays horses to the greats from years past is pointless. The breed is not the same. The owners are of a different breed too. In many cases the insurance cost of running your horse outweigh the financial benefits of running the horse. Today horse racing's establishment races to breed when in years past it was the opposite.

Big Brown is on the cusp of winning one of the most elusive prizes in sports today. The only other Triple Crown that might be harder to achieve is Major League Baseballs TC. I think it was Carl Yastrzemski who was baseballs last Triple Crown winner and that was in 1967, and he played in Fenway Park. If Big Brown wins the Belmont he should be considered a great horse because he will have accomplished a great feat that many others have tried to accomplish but came up short.

Agree 100% except for the baseball analogy.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Agree 100% except for the baseball analogy.

I agree. MLB's hitting Triple Crown is even harder to accomlish than horse racings Triple Crown.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pick4

Champions: The Lives, Times, and Past Performances of the 20th Century's Greatest Throughbreds is book every serious horse racing fan should have.

I don't have the updated edition but the the original tells just as good of story of the way horseracing was. Comparing todays horses to the greats from years past is pointless. The breed is not the same. The owners are of a different breed too. In many cases the insurance cost of running your horse outweigh the financial benefits of running the horse. Today horse racing's establishment races to breed when in years past it was the opposite.

Big Brown is on the cusp of winning one of the most elusive prizes in sports today. The only other Triple Crown that might be harder to achieve is Major League Baseballs TC. I think it was Carl Yastrzemski who was baseballs last Triple Crown winner and that was in 1967, and he played in Fenway Park. If Big Brown wins the Belmont he should be considered a great horse because he will have accomplished a great feat that many others have tried to accomplish but came up short.

you're right. i'll rank him right up there with omaha....maybe sir barton. but definitely not with war admiral, citation, secretariat, affirmed or slew. or even count fleet. hell, i think i'd even put assault ahead of him, as well as gallant fox and whirlaway.

speaking of past winners, 10 of the 11 had more starts at two then big brown has had in his career.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What, exactly, is a superhorse? I thought it was a phrase that people in the mainstream media who know nothing about racing use to describe whatever horse they heard of most recently.

One can be both excited about Big Brown having a shot at the TC, and skeptical about how good he actually is. I don't think you have to be one or the other.

thank you, thank you, a million times over.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

affirmed, sixteen wins.
slew, fourteen wins.
secretariat, sixteen wins

wake me up when big brown hits double digits.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'll ignore the bonehead part. Are you remotely open to the fact that he could become a superhorse? He has had five career races? What more does he need to prove through the five races? Obviously how he does in The Belmont factors in. He may not be a Super horse but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Maybe people including myself are excited for Big Brown because we would like a Triple Crown winner for this sport.

No horse on drugs can be considered a super horse , imo.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by sumitas

No horse on drugs can be considered a super horse , imo.

I remember reading something awhile ago saying that the whirlaway connections would put a little ball of heroin on his tongue before his races.

You really think only "modern" horses are drugged??

[TheSpyder]

Fitting link:

http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/docellis.htm

Detail of Dock Ellis pitching a no hitter on acid:

What's weird is that sometimes it felt like a balloon. Sometimes it felt like a golf ball. But he could always get it to the plate. Getting it over the plate was another matter entirely. Sometimes he couldn't see the hitter. Sometimes he couldn't see the catcher. But if he could see the hitter, he'd guess where the catcher was. And he had a great catcher back there. Jerry May. You could make mistakes with him, and he would compensate. He'd know if he called for a curveball, he could look at the follow-through of your arm and see if you were gonna hang it. So he'd get ready to slide and block. Also, he had this reflective tape on his fingers that was by far the easiest thing to see.

Ellis had no idea what the score was, and he knew he'd been wild--he ended with eight walks, one hit batsman and the bases loaded at least twice--but here it was, bottom of the seventh, and he was still in the game.
The hardest part was between innings. He was sure his teammates knew something was up. They had all been acting strange since the game began. Solution: Do not look at teammates. Do not look at scoreboard. Must not make eye contact. His spikes--that's what he concentrated on. Pick up tongue depressor, scrape the mud, repeat. Must. Clean. Spikes.
Sometime in the fifth or sixth, he sensed someone next to him. Looking. He turned. It was rookie infielder Dave Cash.
"Dock," Cash said. "You've got a no-hitter going."
Cash, apparently unaware of the (insanely well-known) superstition that a pitcher never talks about a no-hitter until it's complete for fear of jinxing it, was immediately piled upon by several outraged teammates. Ellis, meanwhile, looked at the scoreboard.
H What's weird is that sometimes it felt like a balloon. Sometimes it felt like a golf ball. But he could always get it to the plate. Getting it over the plate was another matter entirely. Sometimes he couldn't see the hitter. Sometimes he couldn't see the catcher. But if he could see the hitter, he'd guess where the catcher was. And he had a great catcher back there. Jerry May. You could make mistakes with him, and he would compensate. He'd know if he called for a curveball, he could look at the follow-through of your arm and see if you were gonna hang it. So he'd get ready to slide and block. Also, he had this reflective tape on his fingers that was by far the easiest thing to see.
Ellis had no idea what the score was, and he knew he'd been wild--he ended with eight walks, one hit batsman and the bases loaded at least twice--but here it was, bottom of the seventh, and he was still in the game.
The hardest part was between innings. He was sure his teammates knew something was up. They had all been acting strange since the game began. Solution: Do not look at teammates. Do not look at scoreboard. Must not make eye contact. His spikes--that's what he concentrated on. Pick up tongue depressor, scrape the mud, repeat. Must. Clean. Spikes.
Sometime in the fifth or sixth, he sensed someone next to him. Looking. He turned. It was rookie infielder Dave Cash.
"Dock," Cash said. "You've got a no-hitter going."
Cash, apparently unaware of the (insanely well-known) superstition that a pitcher never talks about a no-hitter until it's complete for fear of jinxing it, was immediately piled upon by several outraged teammates. Ellis, meanwhile, looked at the scoreboard.
Huh.
Yeah.
After the eighth, during which he'd watched outfielder Matty Alou snag an almost certain base hit, Ellis walked off the field and looked Cash straight in the eye. "Still got my no-no!" Ellis declared. uh.

Yeah.
After the eighth, during which he'd watched outfielder Matty Alou snag an almost certain base hit, Ellis walked off the field and looked Cash straight in the eye. "Still got my no-no!" Ellis declared.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I remember reading something awhile ago saying that the whirlaway connections would put a little ball of heroin on his tongue before his races.

You really think only "modern" horses are drugged??

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I remember reading something awhile ago saying that the whirlaway connections would put a little ball of heroin on his tongue before his races.

You really think only "modern" horses are drugged??

That is very interesting..because I thought I saw Cigar smoking a crack-pipe before the Pacific Classic...

[King Glorious]

Just curious to how people feel. If Big Brown were to win the Belmont by 20 lengths in 2:29 3/5, how would you feel afterwards? Glad to finally have a TC winner or extremely upset that it had to happen this way?