W/E Beyers: Adriano 92

[Kasept]

SAN LUIS REY H.(G2): BOULE D'OR-IRE 99
DISTAFF H.(G2): RITE MOMENT 92
LANE'S END S.(G2): ADRIANO 92
BOURBONETTE OAKS S.(G3): MAREN'S MEADOW 78

[cmorioles]

Rushaway 82

[HaloWishingwell]

This crop is allergic to a 100 Beyer.

[2 Dollar Bill]

[quote=HaloWishingwell][b][i]This crop is allergic to a 100

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[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

This crop is allergic to a 100 Beyer.

The synthetic track route race figures are pretty dumbed down - especially the ones run at slow paces featuring younger horses.

Hard Spun got a 101 Beyer in the Spiral last year - and he won it by daylight. Dominican got a 93 for running down Street Sense in the Blue Grass...and that figure was corrected significantly because of the extreme slow pace, and would have been in the 80's if not.

The problem is, unlike last year when horses like Street Sense and Hard Spun had excellent credentials on dirt going into the Derby - the horses who are winning these synthetic track route races with the dumbed down figures have either never run over dirt or haven't been effective on it.

The more troubling thing to me is how slow the dirt preps have been.

[sumitas]

Never heard of the Spiral. What did Hard Spun post for his Lanes End triumph last year ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He ran a 101 in last years Jim Beam Stakes

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dominican got a 93 for running down Street Sense in the Blue Grass...and that figure was corrected significantly because of the extreme slow pace, and would have been in the 80's if not.

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

Stream Cat went 1:43 1/5th at 8.5 furlongs earlier on in the card - and his career top Beyer was an 88. The Blue Grass was an extra 1/16th further, and went about 8 full seconds slower...with four noses on the wire together.

Synthetic track figures are meaningless to me - but I've always wondered how the sheet makers, who don't account for pace, can get away with not splitting sprint and route variants when they make them. I'm sure they can't in extreme case I guess.

The day that Domincan ran down Street Sense in the Blue Grass the final time was 1:51.33 - thirty minutes earlier Silent Name won a 7 furlong race in 1:21.26 - basically a quarter mile in a little over 30 seconds time seperates those two races.

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There were 6 routes run on the Blue Grass card (apparently they put a little thought into having other routes on a "big race" care...take note, NYRA). The following is what Beyer did with the raw figure to get the Beyer.


1: Subtract 5
3: 0
4: Subtract 5
6: Subtract 5
9: 0
10: Add 5

It was an shaky day. The first four were run at 8.5f, the last two at 9f. So, it was clearly subjective. He could have gone 5 points in either direction to be honest. He could have used -5, 0, or +5, all logically. I went with a 97 speed figure looking back on my notes, and given the future performance of the horses it stood up well.

The point is, making figures is no exact science and never will be. Some are easy, some are hard, and you do your best.

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