John Ward

[blackthroatedwind]

In the summer of 2006 John Ward had three promising 3YOs in his barn......Strong Contender, Minister's Bid and Dr. Pleasure. At that time, against all reason and sanity, Mr. Ward declared that Dr. Pleasure was the best of the three.

Strong Contender beat Lawyer Ron a couple months later on that one's home ground in the Super Derby. OK, Minister's Bid was never much horse, but at least he won a race or two, I believe, earlier last year. Though, in typical Ward fashion he made very few starts. Strong Contender made very few as well.....as he broke down unfortunately.

Dr. Pleasure, you know, the best of the three? Oh, yeah, he's running in a NW1X at Gulfstream this week. One year and six months later he still hasn't won his first condition. That man is one hell of a judge of talent.

[The Bid]

One of the worst BTW, its criminal

[King Glorious]

I was thinking this very thing when I saw that horse entered. I was going to post about it but I figured that you would have just told me that he's accomplished more in the game than I have and I had no room to comment cause I was dead wrong and you would have brought up Indian Blessing again.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I was thinking this very thing when I saw that horse entered. I was going to post about it but I figured that you would have just told me that he's accomplished more in the game than I have and I had no room to comment cause I was dead wrong and you would have brought up Indian Blessing again.

Hey, I'm just glad I am helping to keep your lunacy to a minimum.

Actually, I was thinking about this because of some of the grief I have seen various posters giving trainers like Lukas, Zito and Baffert on this site. Whether you like those guys or not, and I can respect people's right to criticize them for various things, there are a lot of people who seem to remain unscathed who are far more deserving of derision.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually, I was thinking about this because of some of the grief I have seen various posters giving trainers like Lukas, Zito and Baffert on this site. Whether you like those guys or not, and I can respect people's right to criticize them for various things, there are a lot of people who seem to remain unscathed who are far more deserving of derision.

I agree. But as you know that comes with the territory of being high profile trainers who love the limelight. Most bettors would recognize the faces of Lukas, Zito or Baffert in an instant; most, however, would not know John Ward if they sat across from him at a dinner table. As for Ward, since Monarchos he surely is one the most notable underachieveing trainers anywhere given the regal pedigrees John Oxley buys or breeds each year.

I gotta agree with The Bid. Why? I love people being outraged for no good reason.

John Ward? A colossal idiot. He'd make a great politician.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what a long .....strange trip its been.........

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In the summer of 2006 John Ward had three promising 3YOs in his barn......Strong Contender, Minister's Bid and Dr. Pleasure. At that time, against all reason and sanity, Mr. Ward declared that Dr. Pleasure was the best of the three.

Strong Contender beat Lawyer Ron a couple months later on that one's home ground in the Super Derby. OK, Minister's Bid was never much horse, but at least he won a race or two, I believe, earlier this year. Though, in typical Ward fashion he made very few starts. Strong Contender made very few as well.....as he broke down unfortunately.

Dr. Pleasure, you know, the best of the three? Oh, yeah, he's running in a NW1X at Gulfstream this week. One year and six months later he still hasn't won his first condition. That man is one hell of a judge of talent.

If you took all the halters off the horses in his barn, he couldn't tell you which was which.
Just another countless example of a trainer that continually underacheives with millions in blue-blood stock.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

If you took all the bridles off the horses in his barn, he couldn't tell you which was which.
Just another countless example of a trainer that continually underacheives with millions in blue-blood stock.

his wife may be the talent in that barn

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

his wife may be the talent in that barn

And, perhaps, the reason they have trouble keeping good help.

[The Bid]

Usually when there is a woman in there they find a way to know everything and chase off decent help.

Nothing against the ladies, just my observation

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Usually when there is a woman in there they find a way to know everything and chase off decent help. Nothing against the ladies, just my observation

But Mrs. Ward is so warm.. so friendly.. so approachable.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Usually when there is a woman in there they find a way to know everything and chase off decent help.

Nothing against the ladies, just my observation

Wow, that is the stupidest post I have ever seen!! I am sorry I am not trying to be ugly, but agian Wow. Should they take away our right to vote too?? Hey were you the guy that as we stood in the winners circle getting out picture taken after a horse trained by my mother broke the 25yr old track, and was horse of the year "Hey Wayne, are you finally gonna get a man trainer now?".........

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Dr. Pleasure, you know, the best of the three? Oh, yeah, he's running in a NW1X at Gulfstream this week. One year and six months later he still hasn't won his first condition. That man is one hell of a judge of talent.

Who do you like in the race? Do you give Kaplan's gelding any shot at a decent slice the purse?

[pgiaco]

Mr. and Mrs. Ward will be signing copies of their book "How to Win a N1X With an $800,000 Yearling" at Borders later tonight.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Who do you like in the race? Do you give Kaplan's gelding any shot at a decent slice the purse?

He's the only horse in the race that basically has no chance.

[Cannon Shell]

There have been many rumors floating around that Mr. Ward and Mr. Oxley are parting company. Dont know the validity of this but I was told by a pretty strong source. I happened to buy a horse off them in the most recent Jan sale and this person brought the subject up after seeing that I had bought the horse.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There have been many rumors floating around that Mr. Ward and Mr. Oxley are parting company. Dont know the validity of this but I was told by a pretty strong source. I happened to buy a horse off them in the most recent Jan sale and this person brought the subject up after seeing that I had bought the horse.

I know I was quite surprised when I recently saw a horse owned by Mr Oxley racing at GP not trained by Mr Ward but by Helen Pitts.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There have been many rumors floating around that Mr. Ward and Mr. Oxley are parting company. Dont know the validity of this but I was told by a pretty strong source. I happened to buy a horse off them in the most recent Jan sale and this person brought the subject up after seeing that I had bought the horse.

I don't know how owners, like oxley, that put millions into the game can withstand not getting any real results.

Overbrook still gives horse to Lukas and D. stewart.
Ed Evans still gives Mark Hening plenty of stock. I don't get it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I don't know how owners, like oxley, that put millions into the game can withstand not getting any real results.

Overbrook still gives horse to Lukas and D. stewart.
Ed Evans still gives Mark Hening plenty of stock. I don't get it.

Loyalty I guess. And, I respect loyalty, but the John Ward situation is a bit strange. He just never even seems to run any horses. I honestly think he has started like two 2YOs in Saratoga the entire last two meets. They have horses.....why don't they ever run? On the other hand, they had some real success just seven years ago.

Overbrook doesn't seem to even have any good horses....and Ned Evans finally pretty much got away from Hennig. That is one that I could never understand.