Why win and your in sucks...

[Cannon Shell]

Purim

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Purim

RACIST!

[justindew]

Has a Grade I winner ever been kept out of the BC starting gate?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by justindew

Has a Grade I winner ever been kept out of the BC starting gate?

uh, yeah.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

uh, yeah.

Really? Who?

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by justindew

Really? Who?

LOL mineshaft, by the scared connections who were afraid of facing a full field

Originally Posted by justindew

Really? Who?

There have got to be some horses in the past that were grade I winners that did not supplement in. I dont keep up with the BC close enough, but this had to have happened more than once.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

RACIST!

Hey I didn't say that the Indian horse sucks...


















of course he does....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey I didn't say that the Indian horse sucks...


















of course he does....

will run next out with C* curry on angle

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Purim

This is why it was started. maybe Purim is the only winner of one of these races that wouldnt make it without the auto berth.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jpops757

This is why it was started. maybe Purim is the only winner of one of these races that wouldnt make it without the auto berth.

So now he can be in, go off 30-1 and finish 8th. What a great concept until a horse like this knocks out a more deserving horse who was unfortunte not to win a "win and your in" race. The obvious horses are going anyway, the bombs will still be bombs.

[jpops757]

Do you really think a win and you are in winner will knock out a deserving entrant? If he will be 30/1, all he will do is keep another 30/1 horse out. This is a great addition to the process of filling the entries. Everyone has the same option of preparing there horses for these races.

[Pedigree Ann]

If they really would make it 'win and you're in' it might be a useful concept. But it isn't truly. It's 'win and if you are nominated you are in." A true 'win and in' wherein a non-nominated horse could earn a place in the field without having to pay a third of the winning purse to get in, that would be a plus for the BC.

It would encourage horses like Redattore (who was the best US-based turf miler) to run. Redattore was foaled in Brazil, where breeders could care less about about nominating to a Northern Hemisphere series of no benefit to them. This is true generally in the Southern Hemisphere breeding countries. It takes an owner with deep pockets to be able to pony up to run an Invasor or Bayakoa. The idea should to get the best runners possible in the race, not just the best nominated runners.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

If they really would make it 'win and you're in' it might be a useful concept. But it isn't truly. It's 'win and if you are nominated you are in." A true 'win and in' wherein a non-nominated horse could earn a place in the field without having to pay a third of the winning purse to get in, that would be a plus for the BC.

It would encourage horses like Redattore (who was the best US-based turf miler) to run. Redattore was foaled in Brazil, where breeders could care less about about nominating to a Northern Hemisphere series of no benefit to them. This is true generally in the Southern Hemisphere breeding countries. It takes an owner with deep pockets to be able to pony up to run an Invasor or Bayakoa. The idea should to get the best runners possible in the race, not just the best nominated runners.

Even a better concept. This could give some of the blue collar guys a chance to crash the party. You earn BC eligiable and dont just buy it.

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

A true 'win and in' wherein a non-nominated horse could earn a place in the field without having to pay a third of the winning purse to get in, that would be a plus for the BC.

I love this idea.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Do you really think a win and you are in winner will knock out a deserving entrant? If he will be 30/1, all he will do is keep another 30/1 horse out. This is a great addition to the process of filling the entries. Everyone has the same option of preparing there horses for these races.

The possibility certainly exists. Maybe not this race or this year but just wait until a deserving horse is left out.
I hardly think there was a problem filling the entry box at the Breeders Cup.

The whole thing is a half hearted marketing ploy that diminishes the worth of many races that aren't designated "win and your in". The winner of the Phoenix for example has even less credentials than Purim but he is in (though I dont believe he is nominated). Why should the winner of a weak grade 3 be automatically in while the winners of higher graded, more contentious races are possibly left out?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The possibility certainly exists. Maybe not this race or this year but just wait until a deserving horse is left out.
I hardly think there was a problem filling the entry box at the Breeders Cup.

The whole thing is a half hearted marketing ploy that diminishes the worth of many races that aren't designated "win and your in". The winner of the Phoenix for example has even less credentials than Purim but he is in (though I dont believe he is nominated). Why should the winner of a weak grade 3 be automatically in while the winners of higher graded, more contentious races are possibly left out?

Isn't the worst part of WAYI that horses that win on polytrack, which is nothing like dirt, get into dirt races? You'd never see a horse win a dirt race be automatically in the Turf Mile, so why is this way considered OK? Of course I realize it is because they want people to believe it is dirt.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The possibility certainly exists. Maybe not this race or this year but just wait until a deserving horse is left out.
I hardly think there was a problem filling the entry box at the Breeders Cup.

The whole thing is a half hearted marketing ploy that diminishes the worth of many races that aren't designated "win and your in". The winner of the Phoenix for example has even less credentials than Purim but he is in (though I dont believe he is nominated). Why should the winner of a weak grade 3 be automatically in while the winners of higher graded, more contentious races are possibly left out?

Isn't that exactly why Purim is a perfect horse for a WAYI kind of thing? Ran down a pretty solid bunch of turf milers in a GI race three weeks out from the BC, yet he shouldn't be in? He basically fits your "winners of higher graded, more contentious races" qualification to a tee.

Miesque's Approval didn't look too deserving last year. That ended up well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Cannon, you are posting like a tremendous machine right now. Kudos.

it is the heat


and the fact that I have given back much of my baseball money on college football today...even freakin Temple beat me...and then Cobranaught get nailed at the wire....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Bet Florida tonight.

sorry, bet them early this week and got +9. I am an anchor today so you may want to scale back your bets...though I did just sweat out the under in DDTIDE/Houston...also bet an dog parlay in bases...