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Old 08-25-2007, 11:30 PM
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lets look at the big picture... hard spun todays hat flopping favorite of the people .is a great horse.. he should have been battleing it out with street sence the whole time..but hes not of that class..hes been reduced to 7f.. pretty great.... yee haa larry..you gota real goodin ..

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Old 08-25-2007, 11:45 PM
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not sure if you were watching the ESPN coverage, but Randy Moss said some sort of inside source said that there was "extra insentive" from whom ever bought Hard Spun's breeding rights if he were to win a Grade 1 before going to the shed. So i guess this was pretty much the only logical choice for that type of race so far along in the season.


Also, did anyone see how apeshit Larry Jones went when someone knocked off his cowboy hat during the celebration with owners and friends in the grandstand. His horse finally won the elusive G1 and he looked like Lou Holtz when some kid stole the hat off his head during a post-game interview..... can't lose my favorite stetson


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Old 08-25-2007, 11:59 PM
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Also, did anyone see how apeshit Larry Jones went when someone knocked off his cowboy hat during the celebration with owners and friends in the grandstand. His horse finally won the elusive G1 and he looked like Lou Holtz when some kid stole the hat off his head during a post-game interview..... can't lose my favorite stetson


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LMAO he did look pretty mad
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Old 08-26-2007, 01:06 AM
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Better than seeing his ass up on Hard Spun like we did all of the time around the Triple Crown races. No wonder he couldn't win - he was tired all of the time...
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Old 08-26-2007, 11:03 AM
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not sure if you were watching the ESPN coverage, but Randy Moss said some sort of inside source said that there was "extra insentive" from whom ever bought Hard Spun's breeding rights if he were to win a Grade 1 before going to the shed. So i guess this was pretty much the only logical choice for that type of race so far along in the season.


Also, did anyone see how apeshit Larry Jones went when someone knocked off his cowboy hat during the celebration with owners and friends in the grandstand. His horse finally won the elusive G1 and he looked like Lou Holtz when some kid stole the hat off his head during a post-game interview..... can't lose my favorite stetson


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The G1 win yesterday was worth 15 million for Porter. The deal was $20 mil without a G1 win and $35 mil with. I talked about that the day they announced it. So this race had nothing to do with the BCC and everything to do with them scrambling trying to find a G1 that he could win. Now Darley has to add 15 million to the check, they could care less now. Oh did anyone by chance hear Porter thanking everyone yesterday? "I'd like to thank Larry and Cindy Jones, Mario Pino, and the whole Fox Hill Fart team, I'm mean Fox Hill Farm team." Was a funny blooper.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:10 PM
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not sure if you were watching the ESPN coverage, but Randy Moss said some sort of inside source said that there was "extra insentive" from whom ever bought Hard Spun's breeding rights if he were to win a Grade 1 before going to the shed. So i guess this was pretty much the only logical choice for that type of race so far along in the season.


Also, did anyone see how apeshit Larry Jones went when someone knocked off his cowboy hat during the celebration with owners and friends in the grandstand. His horse finally won the elusive G1 and he looked like Lou Holtz when some kid stole the hat off his head during a post-game interview..... can't lose my favorite stetson


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His buddy that caught his hat should have made the play of the day on ESPN.
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Old 08-26-2007, 04:13 AM
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lets look at the big picture... hard spun todays hat flopping favorite of the people .is a big turd.. he should have been battleing it out with street sence the whole time..but hes not of that class..hes been reduced to 6f.. pretty sad .... yee haa larry..you gota real goodin 6f..

pathetic..........
Matt,

I assume this was fueled by Budweiser or meant to be provocative, because otherwise, it's a rather ridiculous comment. The King's Bishop is 7f.. a distance that is indicative of class which is why there are two Gr. I 7f races for 3yo's (Bishop/Malibu). Hard Spun's effort today was outstanding. Battling on/near the lead the entire way, getting headed, and then battling back to the wire. While he has a pedigree that was thought to be perfect for classic distances, it has been apparent to most that he was more of a brilliant type than a stayer type.

In running 2nd in the Haskell and winning the King's Bishop, he joins Tale of the Cat and Forestry. The ability to win at 7f, coupled with the ability to place gamely at 10f in the Derby and Haskell makes Hard Spun a rather special horse. Another horse that comes to mind to compare him to is More Than Ready, who was a King's Bishop winner that fell short at classic distances. Is he in Street Sense/Any Given Saturday company among this crop? No.. But he's been campaigned seriously and shown tremendous 'class' and should be a terrific sire.
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:02 AM
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Matt,

I assume this was fueled by Budweiser or meant to be provocative, because otherwise, it's a rather ridiculous comment. The King's Bishop is 7f.. a distance that is indicative of class which is why there are two Gr. I 7f races for 3yo's (Bishop/Malibu). Hard Spun's effort today was outstanding. Battling on/near the lead the entire way, getting headed, and then battling back to the wire. While he has a pedigree that was thought to be perfect for classic distances, it has been apparent to most that he was more of a brilliant type than a stayer type.

In running 2nd in the Haskell and winning the King's Bishop, he joins Tale of the Cat and Forestry. The ability to win at 7f, coupled with the ability to place gamely at 10f in the Derby and Haskell makes Hard Spun a rather special horse. Another horse that comes to mind to compare him to is More Than Ready, who was a King's Bishop winner that fell short at classic distances. Is he in Street Sense/Any Given Saturday company among this crop? No.. But he's been campaigned seriously and shown tremendous 'class' and should be a terrific sire.
Steve,

Remember when I wrote that Hard Spun was "sore and stiff" during Derby Week and hundreds of people wanted me killed or fired, or both? Those were good times.

By the way, your analysis is right on the money.
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:22 AM
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lets look at the big picture... hard spun todays hat flopping favorite of the people .is a big turd.. he should have been battleing it out with street sence the whole time..but hes not of that class..hes been reduced to 6f.. pretty sad .... yee haa larry..you gota real goodin 6f..

pathetic..........
I cant disagree more. This horse has shown me nothing but class. He battled it out gamely in all three jewels of the triple crown, running a monster race in the Ky Derby.

Great race by gamely holding of Curlin in the Haskell

Lets see who his graded race losses have come at the hands of:

Street Sense
Curlin
Rags to Riches
Any Given Saturday

He has run in 8 races in 2007 ( an 8 month period ). No small feat in today's racing world.

He has won races at distances of 5.5f, 6f, 7f, 1m, 9f He has won on dirt and polytrack.

Yesterday he attended scorching fractions, was faced with a horse passing him for a stride and looked that horse in the eye and proceeded to draw away from said horse. Not only has his races on track been more than admirable in EVERY race he has run, but he has also had to deal with having an owner that has tried so hard to mismanage him.

As far as "should have been battling it out with street sense the whole time"
the connections made a GREAT decision to run in the Kings Bishop. He gets a GR1 win against what I feel was a very competitive, and large field. IMO he accomplished YESTERDAY more than SS who beat six other horses with a combined 1 stakes win.
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:32 AM
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he should go in the BC Sprint instead of the BCC IMO
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Old 08-26-2007, 07:36 AM
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he should go in the BC Sprint instead of the BCC IMO
Agree 1000 % !!!
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:42 AM
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he should go in the BC Sprint instead of the BCC IMO
The new BC mile race plays right into Hard Spun's wheel house.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:56 AM
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The new BC mile race plays right into Hard Spun's wheel house.
Is it graded and how much is the purse?
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:09 AM
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$1 million each

UNgraded for now
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:29 PM
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Is it graded and how much is the purse?
The mile / dirt has a purse of 1 million dollars and is actually run at 1 mile and 70 yard this year because of the track configuration. ( I guess) Dont know if it is graded. He fits the mile much better than the Classic.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:56 AM
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He has run in 8 races in 2007 ( an 8 month period ). No small feat in today's racing world.

He has won races at distances of 5.5f, 6f, 7f, 1m, 9f He has won on dirt and polytrack.

Yesterday he attended scorching fractions, was faced with a horse passing him for a stride and looked that horse in the eye and proceeded to draw away from said horse. Not only has his races on track been more than admirable in EVERY race he has run, but he has also had to deal with having an owner that has tried so hard to mismanage him.
Interesting thing is that Jones also indicated to me that he figured the colt to be a serious middle distance GRASS horse when he got him. He trained over grass last season before his debut and his first run was seen as a sprint prep for a later grass route try. Jones still thinks he might be better on grass but knows that he'll never race over it, which is too bad.

Hard Spun has raced 8 times this season, competed in ALL the Triple Crown races, has twice placed at 10f and now won a 7f G1. During the TC everyone whines that no one takes on all three and then when one does and then follows up with 2 very solid G1 performances, he's bashed because he LOST ONE???

HS is undefeated under 1 mile and yet has earned over $1m while routing. What does a colt have to do?

BTW, I saw HS 3 or 4 times this week and he looked great. He was bucking and playing in the paddock yesterday. Unsoundness has never been a problem. He doesn't even wear standing bandages. He was the picture of fitness and readiness yesterday and it was JONES who got him there.
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Old 08-28-2007, 09:37 PM
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I cant disagree more. This horse has shown me nothing but class. He battled it out gamely in all three jewels of the triple crown, running a monster race in the Ky Derby.

Great race by gamely holding of Curlin in the Haskell

Lets see who his graded race losses have come at the hands of:

Street Sense
Curlin
Rags to Riches
Any Given Saturday

He has run in 8 races in 2007 ( an 8 month period ). No small feat in today's racing world.

He has won races at distances of 5.5f, 6f, 7f, 1m, 9f He has won on dirt and polytrack.

Yesterday he attended scorching fractions, was faced with a horse passing him for a stride and looked that horse in the eye and proceeded to draw away from said horse. Not only has his races on track been more than admirable in EVERY race he has run, but he has also had to deal with having an owner that has tried so hard to mismanage him.

As far as "should have been battling it out with street sense the whole time"
the connections made a GREAT decision to run in the Kings Bishop. He gets a GR1 win against what I feel was a very competitive, and large field. IMO he accomplished YESTERDAY more than SS who beat six other horses with a combined 1 stakes win.
i agree..some horses just run better at shorter distances. i like him!
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Old 08-29-2007, 08:24 AM
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Wonder if Joey P. will show up at the Sprint. The guy does love Monmouth.
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Old 08-29-2007, 10:30 AM
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After reading most of the posts on this and many other threads it had occured to me that alot of people making the comments were not at Saratoga. I watched the race live from the rail and it was so damn hot and humid that it was hard to breath just standing there. So for people to make comments about slow final 1/8s and 1/4s without standing there and being engulfed in a complete sweat have no merit. It is amazing that these hoses didnt die of heat stroke after the races. Street Sense and Hard Spun in my book are true Champs after fighting hard that day and winning their respective races. Just take a look at all the other horses dragging their hoofs at the end of each race. I just hope that these races didnt take too much out of them.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:33 AM
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After reading most of the posts on this and many other threads it had occured to me that alot of people making the comments were not at Saratoga. I watched the race live from the rail and it was so damn hot and humid that it was hard to breath just standing there. So for people to make comments about slow final 1/8s and 1/4s without standing there and being engulfed in a complete sweat have no merit. It is amazing that these hoses didnt die of heat stroke after the races. Street Sense and Hard Spun in my book are true Champs after fighting hard that day and winning their respective races. Just take a look at all the other horses dragging their hoofs at the end of each race. I just hope that these races didnt take too much out of them.
That doesn't change the fact that both of these "true Champs" as u call them, were all out to beat horses that were both taking huge steps up in class. While it's possible that both Grasshopper and First Defence are just late bloomers and could prove to be among the best in their generation, as of now, the book is still out on them. And they ran under the same conditions as the two winners. So while what the two winners did was maybe worthy of some extra credit because of the conditions, the same goes for the two runners-up. I don't think it's a stretch for anyone to believe that had that been Curlin or Any Given Saturday chasing Street Sense home in the Travers, the result might have been different. Not saying that Street Sense wouldn't have still won because nobody knows that. But I believe that the extra credit that u are giving them was equalized by the quality of the field.
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