Where does RTR belong in history?

[whodey17]

Where does RTR rank among other great fillies? Does she belong in the same sentence as Ruffian, Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret or Kincsem? Does she need to beat the boys again to stamp her place in history, or can she continue to beat up on the girls to prove her place in history? Imagine victories in the KY Oaks, Belmont, CC American Oaks and Breeders Cup Distaff - that is one heck of a resume. Even though her racing career is not over, I think she has to go down as one of the all time greats. Victories in the KY Oaks and Belmont Stakes gives a filly the distiction of one of the all time greats of her sex.

This would be my all time field (for females only) going 1 1/4 on dirt - max 10 horses.

Rags To Riches
Lady's Secret
Ruffian
Personal Ensign
Kincsem
Cicada
Genuine Risk
Winning Colors
Go For Wand
Meadow Star

[MisterB]

Alabama is a nice one before the BC

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Where does RTR rank among other great fillies? Does she belong in the same sentence as Ruffian, Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret or Kincsem? Does she need to beat the boys again to stamp her place in history, or can she continue to beat up on the girls to prove her place in history? Imagine victories in the KY Oaks, Belmont, CC American Oaks and Breeders Cup Distaff - that is one heck of a resume. Even though her racing career is not over, I think she has to go down as one of the all time greats. Victories in the KY Oaks and Belmont Stakes gives a filly the distiction of one of the all time greats of her sex.

This would be my all time field (for females only) going 1 1/4 on dirt - max 10 horses.

Rags To Riches
Lady's Secret
Ruffian
Personal Ensign
Kincsem
Cicada
Genuine Risk
Winning Colors
Go For Wand
Meadow Star

I personally think that most of those would have blown her out of the water, but that's just my opinion.

With that said, she's an extremely nice filly. Slow time or not, I was impressed with her in the Belmont. She's a very gritty filly... fought all the way down the stretch. I like that in a racehorse.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I personally think that most of those would have blown her out of the water, but that's just my opinion.

With that said, she's an extremely nice filly. Slow time or not, I was impressed with her in the Belmont. She's a very gritty filly... fought all the way down the stretch. I like that in a racehorse.

exactly!

i'm biased but i think ashado should be mentioned in this thread as well.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by TenMostWanted

exactly!

i'm biased but i think ashado should be mentioned in this thread as well.

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

if they had a nervous & sick smiley, that would've been me.. that's always me when one of my favorites races!

she was such a great mare - my personal favorite was her distaff, i almost had a heart attack waiting for her to get a hole off the rail! that's the one i remember best.

still need to get down & stalk her at darley.. shame on me!

& randomly - board elligible, one of the ones i kept tabs on. whatever happened to her?

[brockguy]

lads, its still debatable whether shes the best filly racing at the moment... She's probably the best, yeah, but there are fillies around the world that have done brilliantly this year..

Originally Posted by brockguy

lads, its still debatable whether shes the best filly racing at the moment... She's probably the best, yeah, but there are fillies around the world that have done brilliantly this year..

i do not think she's the best filly in racing, worldwide.

finsceal beo [sp?] is probably the best at this point, rags is definitely up there though - she has to be.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that one took place in Fantasyland.

[pba1817]

No, no.... it was at Dreaming Downs on Fantasy Island, with Mr. Rourke as your host and Tattoo calling the race.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Perhaps I'm wrong but I think that one took place in Fantasyland.

BTW,
You are correct. I always mix up Ashado and Azeri.
I was thinking of Race 9, The Personal Ensign, Aug 27, 2004.
Ashado wasn't in it. Azari was.
My mistake.
Azeri, if I recall, was ridden by Pat Day and trained by D. Wayne Lucas.
And, I'm pretty sure she won over Storm Flag Flying.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Ashado! Yes! Remember her race with Storm Flag Flying at Toga?

Huh? They never raced each other at Saratoga.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by philcski

Huh? They never raced each other at Saratoga.

Sorry!
I already admitted my mistake.

[dellinger63]

IMO Rags isn't yet near Kincsem and Ruffian even if she could go back and win that first race.

[miraja2]

She has raced SIX times and is in the middle of her 3yo campaign. It makes absolutely no sense to start trying to figure out where she ranks at this point.
She may never win another race for the rest of her career.
Or..............she may win 3 more G1s including the BC Distaff.
Or anything in between.
That might affect her all-time ranking just a bit wouldn't you think?
So where does she rank in history? ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!
She isn't done running yet.
Where does this thread rank in a list of all-time threads?
Right near the bottom.

[Antitrust32]

There are a lot of real good filly's that are not on that list. Open Mind, Regret, Shuvee even some of the 90's fillies were real nice

Banshee Breeze
Beautiful Pleasure
Silverbulletday
Serena's Song
Azeri
Hidden Lake
Inside Information
Paseana
Bayakoa
Princess Rooney

Rags to Riches is a real good one that belongs on those lists, but she still has a lot more running to do, and if she keeps dominating, she can go to the top of those lists.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

There are a lot of real good filly's that are not on that list. Open Mind, Regret, Shuvee even some of the 90's fillies were real nice

Banshee Breeze
Beautiful Pleasure
Silverbulletday
Serena's Song
Azeri
Hidden Lake
Inside Information
Paseana
Bayakoa
Princess Rooney

Rags to Riches is a real good one that belongs on those lists, but she still has a lot more running to do, and if she keeps dominating, she can go to the top of those lists.

Oh come on.....Inside Information? All she did was win six G1s, win 14 of her 17 lifetime starts, finish in the money in all 17 of her lifetime starts, and win the Distaff in one of the more impressive performances in the history of the Breeders' Cup.
How could we even begin to put her in the same league as a horse that defeated the mighty Curlin?

[Pedigree Ann]

It is way too soon to put Rags to Riches up in this stratosphere. There are so many great mares you have not included -Pretty Polly, Gallorette, Shuvee, Drumtop among them - who regularly beat up on males of several generations, not just their own. Not to mention Makybe Diva and Sunline just recently from Down Under.

Rags to Riches is the best 3yo filly we've seen since Go for Wand, maybe since Ruffian. I'll go as far as to say that.

By the way, if you include Genuine Risk, why not Bold 'n Determined, who beat GR on the square when they met in the Maskette H? BnD had won the CCA Oaks, Acorn, Santa Susana (aka SA Oaks), etc. and would go on to win the Spinster against her elders.

[Siena 16]

Ruffian by far was the fastest filly ever to race. And she ran when medication was not as much as a contributor to performance as it is in racing today

[slotdirt]

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