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Old 05-10-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Only one new shooter has a prayer in the Preakness....

And his trainer is on the fence between a start in the Preakness, or a start in the Barbaro stakes on the undercard.

Chelokee looks like an improving horse at least. Had he run in the Kentucky Derby, he'd have been the only starter in the race to fit the following pattern.


Trend: Must meet all of the following in career start #2.

* Start must come between Sep 20th-through-Nov 25th

* Must win the race by a margin of five lengths or more.

* Must run a Beyer figure of 85 or better.

* Race must be at a distance of 7 furlongs or further.


2003: Only Funny Cide fit the profile. He won and paid $27.60

2004: Two horses fit the profile. They being Smarty Jones and Lion Heart. They ran 1st and 2nd, at odds of 4/1 and 5/1 respectively, and made up a $65.20 exacta.

2005: Two horses fit the profile. They being 50/1 shot Giacomo and 22/1 shot High Limit. Giacomo won and paid $102.60

2006: Two horses fit the profile. They being Barbaro and Bluegrass Cat. They ran 1st and 2nd. The exacta paid $587.00

2007: No Derby starter fit the profile. Combined record of 7-4-2-0

More than having a cooky trend in his corner, Chelokee has improved with each start this year, and an arguement could be made that he'd have been right there in the Fla Derby, had he not been shut off.

However, a horse likely to improve or not, the Florida Derby form looks worse after Saturday, and this horse needs marked improvement to contend with the top three. Being trained by Matz, he'll also likely suck up some sentimental money as well.

A new shooter has finished either first or second in 6 of the 7 runnings of the Preakness this decade....I would be shocked if anyone other than Chelokee manages to do so this year...and I highly doubt he will do so either.
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Old 05-10-2007, 08:53 PM
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I think he's going in an undercard race on the day.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:00 PM
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The Barbaro stakes is the undercard race.

Last I heard, "a decision will be made later in the week."
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:07 PM
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Whichever race he goes in, he'll be coming off a 7 week layoff. The preakness is nowhere near as grueling as the Derby, but I imagine that would be the reason why Matz would take the lesser route.
I completely think that Chelokee has a chance to be competitive in the Preakeness. Despite Scat Daddy and Stormello runnning poorly in the Kentucky Derby, I still don't discount Chelokee's gutsy effort on Florida Derby day.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:09 PM
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It would make a nice story if he wins the first running of the Barbaro stakes, on Preakness day at Pimlico, with Edgar Prado up.

Probably a nicer story than it will make if he runs 4th beaten 6 1/2.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:12 PM
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Whichever race he goes in, he'll be coming off a 7 week layoff. The preakness is nowhere near as grueling as the Derby, but I imagine that would be the reason why Matz would take the lesser route.
I completely think that Chelokee has a chance to be competitive in the Preakeness. Despite Scat Daddy and Stormello runnning poorly in the Kentucky Derby, I still don't discount Chelokee's gutsy effort on Florida Derby day.
I think he'll go the Sarava route and use the Barbaro as a stepping stone to the Belmont.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:08 PM
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And his trainer is on the fence between a start in the Preakness, or a start in the Barbaro stakes on the undercard.

Chelokee looks like an improving horse at least. Had he run in the Kentucky Derby, he'd have been the only starter in the race to fit the following pattern.


Trend: Must meet all of the following in career start #2.

* Start must come between Sep 20th-through-Nov 25th

* Must win the race by a margin of five lengths or more.

* Must run a Beyer figure of 85 or better.

* Race must be at a distance of 7 furlongs or further.


2003: Only Funny Cide fit the profile. He won and paid $27.60

2004: Two horses fit the profile. They being Smarty Jones and Lion Heart. They ran 1st and 2nd, at odds of 4/1 and 5/1 respectively, and made up a $65.20 exacta.

2005: Two horses fit the profile. They being 50/1 shot Giacomo and 22/1 shot High Limit. Giacomo won and paid $102.60

2006: Two horses fit the profile. They being Barbaro and Bluegrass Cat. They ran 1st and 2nd. The exacta paid $587.00

2007: No Derby starter fit the profile. Combined record of 7-4-2-0

More than having a cooky trend in his corner, Chelokee has improved with each start this year, and an arguement could be made that he'd have been right there in the Fla Derby, had he not been shut off.

However, a horse likely to improve or not, the Florida Derby form looks worse after Saturday, and this horse needs marked improvement to contend with the top three. Being trained by Matz, he'll also likely suck up some sentimental money as well.

A new shooter has finished either first or second in 6 of the 7 runnings of the Preakness this decade....I would be shocked if anyone other than Chelokee manages to do so this year...and I highly doubt he will do so either.

How about this DrugS...

I 100% agree with what you said.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:12 PM
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How about this DrugS...

I 100% agree with what you said.
Perhaps I should reevalute what I said I guess.....
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:28 PM
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Perhaps I should reevalute what I said I guess.....
What do you think I am doing?
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:30 PM
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Perhaps I should reevalute what I said I guess.....
Honestly, I think that whole post is well thought out, well backed up, and right on the money.

I couldn't have even said it 50% as well.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:38 PM
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as drugs said, you have to wonder about chelokee after seeing how scat daddy ran in the derby. of course there is every possibility that the distance was just too much for daddy--but certainly there is a question mark or two there.
if chelokee is doing well, what the heck-run him in the preakness. i don't think street sense is unbeatable--he's at 50% lifetime...why not take the shot?
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:46 PM
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DrugS makes some good points, and this colt's sire (although best known as a sprinter) turned in a nice performance in the '93 Preakness.....but come on DrugS....please bring back Brian Billick!!!
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:14 AM
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as drugs said, you have to wonder about chelokee after seeing how scat daddy ran in the derby. of course there is every possibility that the distance was just too much for daddy--but certainly there is a question mark or two there.
if chelokee is doing well, what the heck-run him in the preakness. i don't think street sense is unbeatable--he's at 50% lifetime...why not take the shot?

and this year's Preakness is not being run at Churchill Downs last I checked.
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