Deepest Derby field in recent memory

[ateamstupid]

So many awesome colts. Upstart, Materiality, Frosted, Dortmund, American Pharoah, Carpe Diem, etc. etc.

It's gonna be a great show and one of the best Derbies since I've started watching racing.

[Pants II]

I hope Dortmund stays healthy and has a 4 year old campaign. What a physical specimen with a silky smooth gait. Not certain he'll win the Derby (trip) but I'd be surprised if he's not in the mix at the quarter pole.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So many awesome colts. Upstart, Materiality, Frosted, Dortmund, American Pharoah, Carpe Diem, etc. etc.

It's gonna be a great show and one of the best Derbies since I've started watching racing.

Going to be one hell of a race to handicap too. Hope all stay on track to get there

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Going to be one hell of a race to handicap too. Hope all stay on track to get there

Right?!?

Like, where do we even start?


Derby weekend can't get here quick enough!

[tanner12oz]

I can make a case for alot this year with no faults usually its couple but its at least a handful this year

[Danzig]

Kieran has to be feeling good about frosted. Hoperully they solved whatever ailed him after his last. Sure didnt quit today.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Kieran has to be feeling good about frosted. Hoperully they solved whatever ailed him after his last. Sure didnt quit today.

Had a Llewelyn Procedure done.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So many awesome colts. Upstart, Materiality, Frosted, Dortmund, American Pharoah, Carpe Diem, etc. etc.

It's gonna be a great show and one of the best Derbies since I've started watching racing.

Couldn't agree more, let's hope they all make into the starting gate.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So many awesome colts. Upstart, Materiality, Frosted, Dortmund, American Pharoah, Carpe Diem, etc. etc.

It's gonna be a great show and one of the best Derbies since I've started watching racing.

Agreed. It seems to me that there have been years in the past where a horse with International Star's connections, PPs, and pedigree would have been one of the top two or three choices. This year he probably won't be in the top six or seven.

[Danzig]

And still with the ark derby upcoming. Been a great spring.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Agreed. It seems to me that there have been years in the past where a horse with International Star's connections, PPs, and pedigree would have been one of the top two or three choices. This year he probably won't be in the top six or seven.

Looking at Lucky, anyone?

[robfla]

Looking at Lucky was the favorite at 6:1

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by robfla

Looking at Lucky was the favorite at 6:1

That was the point. This year, he wouldn't be just as International Star will have longer odds.

[Kitan]

Deep in what sense? I think that's more a function of fields in recent memory being such low standard than anything else. In terms of Beyer figs, this anticipated field is not dissimilar to that of last year, which has been denounced as a weak crop. Some of these may turn out to be great in the future without having a chance to win the Derby, e.g. Materiality, if that's what you mean? There's a few of the more favoured runners that I would be very surprised to see win.

I can only see five of the horses with any points whatsoever having any chance of winning, but only really like one, maybe two out of that five. There's two more extreme longshots that can potentially join that list of five if they have positive showings that fit my criteria at Oaklawn this weekend. Subjectively, liking one or two of twenty to win doesn't make it "deep".

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Deep in what sense? I think that's more a function of fields in recent memory being such low standard than anything else. In terms of Beyer figs, this anticipated field is not dissimilar to that of last year, which has been denounced as a weak crop. Some of these may turn out to be great in the future without having a chance to win the Derby, e.g. Materiality, if that's what you mean? There's a few of the more favoured runners that I would be very surprised to see win.

I can only see five of the horses with any points whatsoever having any chance of winning, but only really like one, maybe two out of that five. There's two more extreme longshots that can potentially join that list of five if they have positive showings that fit my criteria at Oaklawn this weekend. Subjectively, liking one or two of twenty to win doesn't make it "deep".

I'm beginning to wonder if you are PG1985 with a better vocabulary.

[Kitan]

I'm not exactly sure who that member is (no offense to PG1985) but at least you didn't call me RockHardTen so I guess that must be a compliment.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Agreed. It seems to me that there have been years in the past where a horse with International Star's connections, PPs, and pedigree would have been one of the top two or three choices. This year he probably won't be in the top six or seven.

No there haven't been. He is way too slow to have ever been one of the first three choices. Plus, there is absolutely nothing sexy about him whatsoever.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No there haven't been. He is way too slow to have ever been one of the first three choices. Plus, there is absolutely nothing sexy about him whatsoever.

Wasn't Friesan Fire the post time favorite in his race? Do you really think International Star looks that much worse than FF did coming out of Louisiana?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wasn't Friesan Fire the post time favorite in his race? Do you really think International Star looks that much worse than FF did coming out of Louisiana?

I think his point may be that the Cali shippers are going to be overbet based on their West Coast form vs. how IS got here, which, granted, the LA route has been the thinnest of them to date.

I like horses that aren't overtaxed in their last prep (the Upstart love is great - keep it up) and saw how easily IS managed the LA Derby field first hand. Will be very interested in how Far Right responds over fast dirt tomorrow, and hesitant to dismiss anyone based on "being way too slow" in preps where they weren't really stretched.

[Kitan]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I think his point may be that the Cali shippers are going to be overbet based on their West Coast form vs. how IS got here, which, granted, the LA route has been the thinnest of them to date.

I like horses that aren't overtaxed in their last prep (the Upstart love is great - keep it up) and saw how easily IS managed the LA Derby field first hand. Will be very interested in how Far Right responds over fast dirt tomorrow, and hesitant to dismiss anyone based on "being way too slow" in preps where they weren't really stretched.

Wasn't Mena bordering a PETA onslaught from his 20+ whips (correct me if I'm wrong on that number) in the stretch?