Lava Man

[Gander]

His race Sunday was brilliant. He dueled through very honest fractions and opened up on the field and had plenty left to hold off Good Reward.

Thats his 4th grade 1 win of the year. 6 in total, 2 on turf. Unbelievably consistent animal who still gets knocked on here for beating Perfect Drift, Magnum, Super Frolic, and a few others who I guess are a cut below horses like Flower Alley, who gets big time notoriety for beatng Bellamy Road off a huge layoff and the ridiculously overrated Roman Ruler.

So I guess he wont be validated until he wins outside of CA, meaning the BC Classic. Okay, so if Flower Alley wins the Woodward that wont count for anything because NY is his homestate and he only beat Sun King, who if you think is a world beater, well then I have a professional baseball team in Alaska waiting for you to buy.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Gander

His race Sunday was brilliant. He dueled through very honest fractions and opened up on the field and had plenty left to hold off Good Reward.

Thats his 4th grade 1 win of the year. 6 in total, 2 on turf. Unbelievably consistent animal who still gets knocked on here for beating Perfect Drift, Magnum, Super Frolic, and a few others who I guess are a cut below horses like Flower Alley, who gets big time notoriety for beatng Bellamy Road off a huge layoff and the ridiculously overrated Roman Ruler.

So I guess he wont be validated until he wins outside of CA, meaning the BC Classic. Okay, so if Flower Alley wins the Woodward that wont count for anything because NY is his homestate and he only beat Sun King, who if you think is a world beater, well then I have a professional baseball team in Alaska waiting for you to buy.

Yeah, where were you the last few days, we've already hashed out the Eastern bias bull**** that exists. If this was an East Coast horse everybody would be sporting woodies over him, instead it's just ho-hum that a horse for the first time in 20 years has won a Grade 1 on turf and dirt, actually gets in the starting gate more than 3 times a year and is UNDEFEATED!!!!! this year, all in stakes!With 4 GRADE 1's!!!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Gander

His race Sunday was brilliant. He dueled through very honest fractions and opened up on the field and had plenty left to hold off Good Reward.

Thats his 4th grade 1 win of the year. 6 in total, 2 on turf. Unbelievably consistent animal who still gets knocked on here for beating Perfect Drift, Magnum, Super Frolic, and a few others who I guess are a cut below horses like Flower Alley, who gets big time notoriety for beatng Bellamy Road off a huge layoff and the ridiculously overrated Roman Ruler.

So I guess he wont be validated until he wins outside of CA, meaning the BC Classic. Okay, so if Flower Alley wins the Woodward that wont count for anything because NY is his homestate and he only beat Sun King, who if you think is a world beater, well then I have a professional baseball team in Alaska waiting for you to buy.

I agree with you 100%. The field on Sunday may not have been great, but LM went head and head in pretty fast fractions and drew away and won by 4 lengths. It was an impressive performance. As I said in another thread, there is no way that Sun King could have gone head and head in :46 3/5 in a 1 1/4 mile race and beaten that field by 4 lengths.

Not only that, but LM has run a lot of great races. If this was the only good race that he ever ran then I could see why people would be skeptical. But this horse has done it time and time again. His win in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year was unbelievable. He won the race by 8 lengths over Borrego. He ran a 120 Beyer that day. I'm sure the sheet numbers confirm that it was an incredible performance.

[pba1817]

I wouldnt say he had plenty left, but he did win the race which was the goal.

The entire field looked totally gassed coming for home, I wouldnt say the race was spectacular or even impressive... I will bet against Lava Man when/if he leaves so cal...

[Gander]

Lava Man runs a clunker in last year's Jockey Club and he gets scorned for it. So too does Flower Alley, but because he is trained by Todd Pletcher and resides in NY, he is excused for running bad and follows it up with a very non-threatening but good 2nd place finish to the late great Saint Liam.

Lava Man runs another bad one in Japan, in a country where US horses often do poorly in, then gets some time off and comes back to reel off 6 wins in a row in 2006, when overhyped horses like FLower Alley beat a mediocre at best field of 5 in a NJ prep race then gets schooled on his home track in a race he'd been pointing for since Dec 2005.

Yet people still diss this great horse and would rather talk about Flower Alley getting another crack at the far from great Sun King on Labor Day weekend.

[Gander]

I wouldnt say he had plenty left, but he did win the race which was the goal.

Did you watch the same race I did? What do you want him to win by, 10?

[2MinsToPost]

Look at the $100 bet I have with your pal