Circular Quay

[miraja2]

Maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now. He ran by some fairly decent colts today, and he didn't even start running until the last 1/2 furlong! His pedigree and his performances suggest he will like stretching out, and his first two races were VERY impressive for a horse who seems like he wants to go longer.
If he stays healthy I DEFINITELY like his chances in the big 2yo races in the late summer and fall.

Hey Bold Ruler and friends. Lemme tell you something. When Circular Quay broke his maiden only Sent To Stud apparently knows how to watch a race, cause hes the only guy who didnt toss cold water on this horse.
His win just now was one of the most incredible things I ever saw. This horse is the goods, and he will run all day. I don't care who debuts where and does what to who, as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him. And how scary is it that he wants to go farther. I havent seen a two year old like this horse in over ten years. Its about time!!!

[miraja2]

I just started a thread that said basically the same thing (except for the fact that I also said I was very impressed with his debut). Wow this 2yo is just flat out scary.

Did you also notice how Benny got blocked on the turn when he tried to make his first move up the rail? The fact that the Circular Quay didn't give up and kept trying was impressive, let alone the fact that he blitzed by everyone when he finally did get daylight. If he can really run all day long, he is going to be scary.

Originally Posted by deltaforce97

Did you also notice how Benny got blocked on the turn when he tried to make his first move up the rail? The fact that the Circular Quay didn't give up and kept trying was impressive, let alone the fact that he blitzed by everyone when he finally did get daylight. If he can really run all day long, he is going to be scary.

This horse is nothing short of awesome in not only his performances but his pedigree and running style that basically show that at the wire going this short he is just beginning to have fun out there. This horse is crazy good.

[paisjpq]

remind me of his breeding, the heat has gotten to me today...

Originally Posted by paisjpq

remind me of his breeding, the heat has gotten to me today...

Thunder Gulch out of a Belong To Me mare named circle of life who placed in the the Ashland as a 3Yo.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hey Bold Ruler and friends. Lemme tell you something. When Circular Quay broke his maiden only Sent To Stud apparently knows how to watch a race, cause hes the only guy who didnt toss cold water on this horse.
His win just now was one of the most incredible things I ever saw. This horse is the goods, and he will run all day. I don't care who debuts where and does what to who, as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him. And how scary is it that he wants to go farther. I havent seen a two year old like this horse in over ten years. Its about time!!!

I never said a bad thing about this one...certainly one to watch!
The story:

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/tod...64918&subsec=2

Thanks O and S2S for the heads up.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hey Bold Ruler and friends. Lemme tell you something. When Circular Quay broke his maiden only Sent To Stud apparently knows how to watch a race, cause hes the only guy who didnt toss cold water on this horse.
His win just now was one of the most incredible things I ever saw. This horse is the goods, and he will run all day. I don't care who debuts where and does what to who, as long as this horse is in training there won't be a two year old who will touch him. And how scary is it that he wants to go farther. I havent seen a two year old like this horse in over ten years. Its about time!!!

I will give you a decision in round 1 but I still say this horse will get knocked out in round 2 or 3 when he has to race against the NY horses.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now. He ran by some fairly decent colts today, and he didn't even start running until the last 1/2 furlong! His pedigree and his performances suggest he will like stretching out, and his first two races were VERY impressive for a horse who seems like he wants to go longer.
If he stays healthy I DEFINITELY like his chances in the big 2yo races in the late summer and fall.

You're sarcasm is unnecessary, Miraja. Do you think that those of us who disagreed with Oracle did so just out of spite? I'm sorry, but I remember those posts and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Oracle was raving about the potential greatness of a horse who had won one race -nothing wrong with that, of course (if you can't get excited about a talented baby, then the sport isn't for you), but some of us simply wanted to see more before calling him the second coming of.........(fill in the blank). If it's ok to go ga-ga about an inexperienced horse, then it's just as ok to be a bit skeptical.

[Nostradamus]

This horse isn't even the best 2yr old in their barn. Scat Daddy is considered the better of the two.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

This horse isn't even the best 2yr old in their barn. Scat Daddy is considered the better of the two.

Just for the record, Nostramdamus is a moron, a complete moron. Nice call coward(s).

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Betsy

You're sarcasm is unnecessary, Miraja. Do you think that those of us who disagreed with Oracle did so just out of spite? I'm sorry, but I remember those posts and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Oracle was raving about the potential greatness of a horse who had won one race -nothing wrong with that, of course (if you can't get excited about a talented baby, then the sport isn't for you), but some of us simply wanted to see more before calling him the second coming of.........(fill in the blank). If it's ok to go ga-ga about an inexperienced horse, then it's just as ok to be a bit skeptical.

1) What sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic in any portion of my post.
2) No I do not think that those of you who disagreed with Oracle did so out of spite. I never said you did.
3) People were criticizing him for being so excited about this horse. I simply stated that "maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now." I don't see what is so bad about that statement. Maybe they ARE satisfied. Maybe they are not. In my opinion they should be after the colt's performance today. That was my point.

[dellinger63]

For me it was the triple move this horse made. Wanted to run up early on the backstretch and pulled, trapped behind horses and pulled, attempted to be guided on the outside and pulled once again. As SOON as he found room on the rail he was like a DADDY running by his kids as though he had been playing in the park. If Scat Daddy can beat him I'd love to see it, but I won't hold my breath.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by miraja2

1) What sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic in any portion of my post.
2) No I do not think that those of you who disagreed with Oracle did so out of spite. I never said you did.
3) People were criticizing him for being so excited about this horse. I simply stated that "maybe those people who criticized Oracle for the way he hyped this 2yo are satisfied now." I don't see what is so bad about that statement. Maybe they ARE satisfied. Maybe they are not. In my opinion they should be after the colt's performance today. That was my point.

I do apologize, Miraja. It's very easy to misread something over the internet, and I should not have taken your satisfied comment as anything more than what it is. Your points are very well taken indeed....

Oracle, it's a nice feeling to be "vindicated" isn't it? I loved Thunder Gulch and his sire was the first horse I ever followed, so I hope this fella does well. I'd like to give a shout out to Gulch, who was a real racehorse and had a world of class. I always thought he was underrated and his best son certainly was.

[blackthroatedwind]

I for one would like to see some of these explosive Pletcher horses actually stick around for a full campaign. That is something we have seen very little of especially as it compares to the number of explosive one time performances ( and sometimes two times ) we see from that barn. There have been literally dozens of impressive maiden winners that have either disappeared or fizzled out badly. Already this year we've seen Octave ( I believe she was declared a future Grade 1 winner on this very board ) finish a horrendous second in just her second start. I am surprised to see someone as knowledgable as Oracle declare that Circle Quay, after just his second start against a highly suspect field, is " great ". Perhaps I totally misunderstood ( wouldn't be the first time ).

" Great " seems to get thrown around just a little too easily in this game these days. Last year at this time we were reading about future TC winner Half Ours. He, shockingly, never ran again. Let's just hold our horses ( I couldn't resist ) before annointing champions in July....especially from a barn that seems to have trouble developing the vast talent it holds.

[blackthroatedwind]

I just did a cursory glance at the times run at Churchill today in 6F races...

Let's start by saying Circular Quay ran 6F in 1:09.96

In the 5th race a Dale Romans 2YO firster ran 1:10.07

in the 6th race a 4YO 15K claimer, who's previous Beyer figure was 58 and had run in the low 70s early in his career ran 1:10.26

The filly 2YO stake was run in 1:10.50 and the winner, Richwomen, had a troubled trip and had previously run a Beyer of 82.

Circular Quay had a ground saving trip and beat a second time starter who had run a 65 in his debut. Yes, I understand 2YOs can, and do, improve rapidly early in their careers, but in looking at this hard data I have NO idea what people are getting so excited about.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I for one would like to see some of these explosive Pletcher horses actually stick around for a full campaign. That is something we have seen very little of especially as it compares to the number of explosive one time performances ( and sometimes two times ) we see from that barn. There have been literally dozens of impressive maiden winners that have either disappeared or fizzled out badly. Already this year we've seen Octave ( I believe she was declared a future Grade 1 winner on this very board ) finish a horrendous second in just her second start. I am surprised to see someone as knowledgable as Oracle declare that Circle Quay, after just his second start against a highly suspect field, is " great ". Perhaps I totally misunderstood ( wouldn't be the first time ).

" Great " seems to get thrown around just a little too easily in this game these days. Last year at this time we were reading about future TC winner Half Ours. He, shockingly, never ran again. Let's just hold our horses ( I couldn't resist ) before annointing champions in July....especially from a barn that seems to have trouble developing the vast talent it holds.

Maybe its in another thread, in this one I see nothing about this horse being great or annointed as champion. I see comments like "very impressive", "awesome", "crazy good", favorite for BCJ, etc. These seem like appropriate comments given the nature of his wins. Why is it that we have to "hold our horses" anyway. As of this first week in July he is the most exciting two year old that we have to discuss. Most likely the focus will change as we move forward but for now I see no problem singing the praises of this one.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I for one would like to see some of these explosive Pletcher horses actually stick around for a full campaign. That is something we have seen very little of especially as it compares to the number of explosive one time performances ( and sometimes two times ) we see from that barn. There have been literally dozens of impressive maiden winners that have either disappeared or fizzled out badly. Already this year we've seen Octave ( I believe she was declared a future Grade 1 winner on this very board ) finish a horrendous second in just her second start. I am surprised to see someone as knowledgable as Oracle declare that Circle Quay, after just his second start against a highly suspect field, is " great ". Perhaps I totally misunderstood ( wouldn't be the first time ).

" Great " seems to get thrown around just a little too easily in this game these days. Last year at this time we were reading about future TC winner Half Ours. He, shockingly, never ran again. Let's just hold our horses ( I couldn't resist ) before annointing champions in July....especially from a barn that seems to have trouble developing the vast talent it holds.

LOL!!!! The reality is due to his trainer/vet he's just as likely to either drop dead or never run again! Half Ours anyone?

Originally Posted by Betsy

You're sarcasm is unnecessary, Miraja. Do you think that those of us who disagreed with Oracle did so just out of spite? I'm sorry, but I remember those posts and there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Oracle was raving about the potential greatness of a horse who had won one race -nothing wrong with that, of course (if you can't get excited about a talented baby, then the sport isn't for you), but some of us simply wanted to see more before calling him the second coming of.........(fill in the blank). If it's ok to go ga-ga about an inexperienced horse, then it's just as ok to be a bit skeptical.

yeah Betsy but they were all wrong werent they, so they get to eat crow a l'orange.