New poll- best juice

[CSC]

Assuming most trainers look and take an advantage to level the playing field, I just have to wonder what separates the Bruce Levine's and Wayne Catalano from the rest? These guys would be batting .400 if we used baseball as an analogy. The best of the best chea... oh I don't want to say it, but you know what I am getting at...

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

How about claiming Miesques Approval for 50k? and winning the FN Breeder Cup.. Fear the Wolf

Miesque's Approval was always owned by Live Oak Plantation, even when running for Mott. Though he did dip into high-priced claimers he was always well-meant and was probably the best grass 2yo of his juvenile year.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Miesque's Approval was always owned by Live Oak Plantation, even when running for Mott. Though he did dip into high-priced claimers he was always well-meant and was probably the best grass 2yo of his juvenile year.

Correct my bad

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Anyone thinking that racing was hay, oats, and water back then has never heard of Alex Harthill. Who by the way was the vet for none other than Sunday Silence which was owned by Mr. Hancock.

Just for the Kentucky Derby, right? I don't think Harthill made regular trips to CA to treat Sunday Silence...but maybe he did. Steve Allday used to make monthly visits a couple of years back.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just for the Kentucky Derby, right? I don't think Harthill made regular trips to CA to treat Sunday Silence...but maybe he did. Steve Allday used to make monthly visits a couple of years back.

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

What can Allday give DrugS?

The story goes Hancock couldn't give Sunday Silience away and finally Charlie Whittingham took him? You should be so lucky

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

He was one of a kind, made a LOT of money with his runners.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think Allday did much work for CW. He was private for Paulsen in Califoria. Harthill was on call and would make "field trips". NY famously would not let him on the grounds when SS was going for the TC. If that happened now....

I remember when Pletcher brought Proud Accolade out here to run in the Hollywood Futurity. Allday came out too. CHRB investigators followed him wherever he went. They wouldn't let him out of their sight.

I don't know if they normally bother him when he comes out here. If he comes out here to work on some horses that aren't running for a couple of weeks, I don't know if they bother him or not. I just remember that when he came out here for the Futurity that year, they followed him everywhere he went.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What can Allday give DrugS?

The story goes Hancock couldn't give Sunday Silience away and finally Charlie Whittingham took him? You should be so lucky

Geld him

What do I have to do with a Hancock horse being treated by a outlaw? I know you are a SS suckp but fact is fact.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I remember when Pletcher brought Proud Accolade out here to run in the Hollywood Futurity. Allday came out too. CHRB investigators followed him wherever he went. They wouldn't let him out of their sight.

I don't know if they normally bother him when he comes out here. If he comes out here to work on some horses that aren't running for a couple of weeks, I don't know if they bother him or not. I just remember that when he came out here for the Futurity that year, they followed him everywhere he went.

They follow him in NY too

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Geld him

What do I have to do with a Hancock horse being treated by a outlaw? I know you are a SS suckp but fact is fact.

The fact is my dear Sir is that this miserable son of Halo developed an industry.. The fact is if the WHO's Who of 1989 had a clue they would have NEVER let him go.. BUT I GUESS the WHO"S who is still holding on to the miserable unguided DrugS like opinions they had in 1990...This is a special horse that you all missed its OK you are part of the ALL.. The sad fact is IF SSilience would have stood in Ireland your tune would have been different and you would be singing the Danehill,Sadlers praises for him.. It's ok to get on board late better late then never..lol

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The fact is my dear Sir is that this miserable son of Halo developed an industry.. The fact is if the WHO's Who of 1989 had a clue they would have NEVER let him go.. BUT I GUESS the WHO"S who is still holding on to the miserable unguided DrugS like opinions they had in 1990...This is a special horse that you all missed its OK you are part of the ALL.. The sad fact is IF SSilience would have stood in Ireland your tune would have been different and you would be singing the Danehill,Sadlers praises for him.. It's ok to get on board late better late then never..lol

And he was a most likely a juice horse and yet he still turned out to be a great sire. Imagine that.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And he was a most likely a juice horse and yet he still turned out to be a great sire. Imagine that.

That horse would have could have and should have been the most important stallion to breed in the states...Juice??? Look I have no clue and frankly nobody really knows for sure. The horse was simply awesome and NOBODY is a bigger Phipp's/Shug fan then I.. Easy Goer was a 3 legged monster G-d Forbid he had four sound legs. The "stuff" only takes them so far Barry Bond would still have been a HOF player without stuff.. Same thing with horses.. We all wish we could buy a horse for 10k treat them with 20k of med's and win a million bucks.. The horse/athelete still needs to be extraordinary if you want extraordinary resolutes on the track or in the shed.. Juice is just the difference between grade 1 third place and grade 1 photo for the winners check IMO

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too bad Oscar isnt still alive to be called in front of Congress

isnt his son still training, must not have inherited the juice, how bout t. jshese in other venues, k. ziadie, w. ward, j. ness, w. catalano--r. slomkowski, r. martinez, cartagena. just some minot league juice maybe, whadya think?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

isnt his son still training, must not have inherited the juice, how bout t. jshese in other venues, k. ziadie, w. ward, j. ness, w. catalano--r. slomkowski, r. martinez, cartagena. just some minot league juice maybe, whadya think?

His son did not get the formula.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

That horse would have could have and should have been the most important stallion to breed in the states...Juice??? Look I have no clue and frankly nobody really knows for sure. The horse was simply awesome and NOBODY is a bigger Phipp's/Shug fan then I.. Easy Goer was a 3 legged monster G-d Forbid he had four sound legs. The "stuff" only takes them so far Barry Bond would still have been a HOF player without stuff.. Same thing with horses.. We all wish we could buy a horse for 10k treat them with 20k of med's and win a million bucks.. The horse/athelete still needs to be extraordinary if you want extraordinary resolutes on the track or in the shed.. Juice is just the difference between grade 1 third place and grade 1 photo for the winners check IMO

Blame A. Hancock. He is the guy who sold him.

If racing were conducted in the manner it is now, then, Sunday Silence would be Big Brown the early version with Dr. Harthill starring in the Dutrow role. Could you imagine the howls after the Belmont when Harthill wasnt allowed to treat him? The NO HARTHILL, NO WIN cries would be everywhere. His record makes Dutrow look straight. It was a lot better then.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And he was a most likely a juice horse and yet he still turned out to be a great sire. Imagine that.

I'm an admitted fan of the horse, and therefore incapable of anything close to an unbiased opinion on the matter, but all of the "evidence" in the Sunday Silence case that I have ever heard never seems to amount to much of anything.
It always just seems to be a lot of whining from Easy Goer fans.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I'm an admitted fan of the horse, and therefore incapable of anything close to an unbiased opinion on the matter, but all of the "evidence" in the Sunday Silence case that I have ever heard never seems to amount to much of anything.
It always just seems to be a lot of whining from Easy Goer fans.

I have no evidence just breaking freddy's chps because he is a Sunday Silence fanatic. But everything about Harthill was fishy and he and charlie were tight. I'm sure that SS was primed when he ran in the Derby and Preakness. Naturally anyone who would know is dead.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The poll reflects the age of the posters here.

I honestly wish those of you that didn't vote for Oscar were around then. You just wouldn't believe what he used to do.

Harvey Pack tells some good stories about him. . .

[MISTERGEE]

i remember he would also be famous for running three times a week, let them drink the juice up right in the paddock