Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I didn't reply to this post as fast as you'd like because I called the races last night at Hollywood Park until 11:00pm. Went to sleep at 12:30. Was up at 5:00am to accompany Joel to his first worker at Mike Mitchell's barn at 6:15. Joel worked six this morning while you were sitting in your jammies and sipping bosco. I'm home now for a few minutes before I go back and call the races which begin at 1:00.

Don't be such a weenie!

There is a 5 oclock in the morning now? since when? I have never seen it.

[Riot]

This race is available for free on CalRacing.

I can't believe that anybody who bothers to actually watch and listen to this race can possibly come away thinking what the first post in this thread alleges. It's completely absurd.

[PPerfectfan]

Hmmm Joel won 5 of 9 today,,,,, he must have read yall are beating up on Vic! Good job jock!

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

Hmmm Joel won 5 of 9 today,,,,, he must have read yall are beating up on Vic! Good job jock!

Gomez wasnt in town so that 5 wins dont count.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Gomez wasnt in town so that 5 wins dont count.

I think there were a couple others out of town as well, but winning 5 is great...but the thread is about Vic isnt it?

[blackthroatedwind]

Who exactly was knocking, or rooting against, Joel Rosario in this thread?

The answer, for those of you who are confused, which appears to be the majority, is NOBODY.

There's quite a double standard on this board.

[Indian Charlie]

I don't know who's a bigger tard here. Stone for being himself, or any of us for replying to him more than once.

[JerseyJ]

The whole premise of this thread was debating whether it's a conflict of interest that Vic Stauffer while being the track announcer at Hollywood Park also performs work as the jockey agent for one of the jocks that ride out of Hollywood Park. I am not going to argue whether it's wrong or right because everyone here has their own opinions on the issue, but I think judging by the definition of a conflict of interest, it's clear that possessing both jobs is a conflict of interest.

Conflict of Interest by definition: A conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization (such as a policeman, lawyer, insurance adjuster, politician, engineer, executive, director of a corporation, medical research scientist, physician, writer, editor, or any other entrusted individual or organization) has an interest that might compromise their actions. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety.

Quite clearly most here cannot read fine print, because in that statement it is clear that the issue at hand here is quite obvious. By acting as a jock's agent for Joel Rosario and the track announcer at the track he rides at, Vic has an interest(representing Rosario) that MIGHT compromise his actions as the track announcer. I am not going to get into the race call or anything else because that's been beaten like a dead horse, but to say that Vic holding both roles doesn't constitute a conflict of interest or at the very least a potential conflict of interest is horsesh!t. It's right there in the fine print and definition that holding both roles constitutes a conflict of interest. As I said, I am not going to get into whether he makes it one or not because it's not the issue at hand here. He does a great job at what he does, but yes, it certainly qualifies under definition to be a conflict of interest.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Maybe it was the 13 straight hours of responding to every single post in this thread with the same narcissistic dreck, stretching this mess out to 7 pages that grew wearisome... Dunno, just a guess

I respond only to the people that post directly to me. Now if I didn't say a thing I would be considered chickens#it. If I do respond to those who say something to me then I am accused of carrying on. It's funny....people like yourself who don't agree say my replies are , as you put it, narcissistic dreck. Big words for a small minded person.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Riot

This race is available for free on CalRacing.

I can't believe that anybody who bothers to actually watch and listen to this race can possibly come away thinking what the first post in this thread alleges. It's completely absurd.

Yeah....having an opinion different than others is absurd. Grow up.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I don't know who's a bigger tard here. Stone for being himself, or any of us for replying to him more than once.

How are Doug's eyes today. We need an update. While your at it I think he stubbed his toe. Hurry up...start a useless thread about it.

You are a clown. Drugs must be doing charity work by befriending you.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I think there were a couple others out of town as well, but winning 5 is great...but the thread is about Vic isnt it?

Figured a few of the clowns on here would start the Rosario thing. He had a great day no doubt. Definitely one of the top jocks in So-Cal. He still isn't winning the bigger races but he is young. He will at some point.

Some of these clowns are predictable as a clock.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

The whole premise of this thread was debating whether it's a conflict of interest that Vic Stauffer while being the track announcer at Hollywood Park also performs work as the jockey agent for one of the jocks that ride out of Hollywood Park. I am not going to argue whether it's wrong or right because everyone here has their own opinions on the issue, but I think judging by the definition of a conflict of interest, it's clear that possessing both jobs is a conflict of interest.

The premise is fine. That's a legit concern. A lot of people (who don't like him doing both jobs ) accused him of doing something wrong in that 6th race. I think, if they'd of handicapped the race, they would see this horse had run the fastest. They could see the horse ran 2nd to a horse who is beating winners now. Horse has run 2nd or 3rd in the prior three races at the level. I think most callers would have their eye on that horse. I know I would have. It's a very poor piece of evidence to accuse someone with. Should just say they don't like the guy doing both jobs(instead of wildly fishing like this.)

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The premise is fine. That's a legit concern.

What exactly is the concern? Let's consider a number of possibilities, assuming, for sake of argument, that Vic 'favors' (whatever the **** that might mean) Rosario in his calls. And, the further assumption that EVERYONE is actually listening to the call of the race. (I wonder what this percentage is.)

1) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and wins the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE WIN. THOSE THAT DIDN'T LOSE (assuming they bet a loser).

2) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and doesn't win the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE LOSE. THOSE THAT DIDN'T DON'T LOSE (unless they bet another loser, which Vic's call wouldn't affect ).




Oh Yeah, I can definitely see where there's 'legit concern'.

Should we move on to those cases where Vic's call affects the outcome of the race? Didn't think so.

Of course, Rosario is presently leading jockey out there and I'm SURE that Vic's calls are the reason.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What exactly is the concern? Let's consider a number of possibilities, assuming, for sake of argument, that Vic 'favors' (whatever the **** that might mean) Rosario in his calls. And, the further assumption that EVERYONE is actually listening to the call of the race. (I wonder what this percentage is.)

1) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and wins the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE WIN. THOSE THAT DIDN'T LOSE (assuming they bet a loser).

2) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and doesn't win the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE LOSE. THOSE THAT DIDN'T DON'T LOSE (unless they bet another loser, which Vic's call wouldn't affect ).




Oh Yeah, I can definitely see where there's 'legit concern'.

Should we move on to those cases where Vic's call affects the outcome of the race? Didn't think so.

Of course, Rosario is presently leading jockey out there and I'm SURE that Vic's calls are the reason.

This is a misrepresentation of the posters point.
He said legit conern about the announcing, he had already
made the point, as have many others, that it does nothing to
effect the outcome of the race. You are looking at it totally
from a wagering point of view.

If someone, God forbid, actually watched racing for pleasure,
and wished the event was presented in an accurate audible
manner, then it might be a concern. There are people on this
board that do not bet, but just like racing.

string em up.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred in the 6th tonight at Hollywood. I think Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S and say "either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both".

In the 6th race Approaching the far turn Ellie L (5 horse), ridden by Rosario was beginning to make a move, from that point on all Stauffer did was mention the 5 horse . You would have thought the horse was a 1-5 shot....not a 9-2 shot. But because it was his guy's horse, Stauffer went on and on as the horse moved. It's amazing in a big field that he would do something like that. Especially with a horse who was not going to win (as it turned out the horse on the lead jumped into the rail...so the 5 did get up).

It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park that they would have a guy who is so biased towards his jock's mounts call the races there. Tonight's pandering to his guy's horse was beyond ridiculous. I guess because Hollywood is on it's way out they really don't care. Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent.

The only embarrassment here is you, bro. Who even thinks about the jockey on the horse who picks up the pieces on a freak turn of events anyways? The horse made a nice move, Vic would have been an embarrassment to NOT mention the move. I just watched the race again. You're even more embarrassing now than four minutes ago when I started this. Gotta love internet tough guys.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

The only embarrassment here is you, bro. Who even thinks about the jockey on the horse who picks up the pieces on a freak turn of events anyways? The horse made a nice move, Vic would have been an embarrassment to NOT mention the move. I just watched the race again. You're even more embarrassing now than four minutes ago when I started this. Gotta love internet tough guys.

Hey bro.

I already claimed I am not an internet tough guy.

It's unbelievable how you can't comprehend what I am talking about. I never said he shouldn't have mentioned the horse, it was just ridiculous that he called basically only that horse from the far turn to the finish. And again, if Solis horse doesn't hit the fence, the 5 wasn't winning.

Send me your address....I will send you some building blocks with the big letters on em....can spell it out for you.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I'm surprised to see a couple here seem so horrified at the alleged rudeness in stonegossards post...

Where was he rude? He had a valid opinion, stated it, and backed it up.

He sure as hell doesn't need me to defend him but I will anyway cause he's right.

He's knowledgeable, articulate, he's got balls and has not been disrespectful in the least.

A couple of you are being drama queens and instead of being so mortally offended should go back and read the original post.

Thank you for the kind words. I think some of these people are just starstruck by VS and will defend him no matter what. Kind of like groupies I guess. Perhaps Drama Queen Groupies. Sounds about right.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What exactly is the concern?

Obviously, some people are bothered by this situation. I'm o.k. with it, but I can see why people would be bothered by it. If there's a big stakes race with 4 horses bobing at the wire, then Joel could win 2k, or 12k. He has to act the same way (regardless of how the bob goes.) It's weird.

[dylbert]

Vic is always entertaining and engaging in his race calling. He brings that same personality to his posts and conversations here. Vic responds to posts here and private messages in professional, and often, humorous manner.

If stonegossard can't stand the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen, to paraphrase President Harry S Truman. 37 posts by one member on thread that he started! stonegossard never had a real argument just an opinion that carried on for much too long.