MSNBC's Pricci: Sheikh greedy to retire Bernardini so fast

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15641412/

Hmmm. Seems like Mr. Pricci reads Derby Trail. Either that or he's on the same page as a few of the members here.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15641412/

Hmmm. Seems like Mr. Pricci reads Derby Trail. Either that or he's on the same page as a few of the members here.

That's funny... it sounds a lot like what we hear on here. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest bit either. Thanks for posting that...

[paisjpq]

good for Pricci...I guess the sheik's money doesn't have the same pull over @ MSNBC as it does within the industry.

[Revolution]

He is just standing up for beyer and haskin who have been slapped around in the last day or two by their employers. As that guy Nichols said "The Maktoum family is going to be a force to be reckoned with for a long time to come." Live with it.

Who cares if Bernardini was retired. I sat out at Belmont Park and there were like 7000 people there for his JCGC.

Originally Posted by Revolution

He is just standing up for beyer and haskin who have been slapped around in the last day or two by their employers. As that guy Nichols said "The Maktoum family is going to be a force to be reckoned with for a long time to come." Live with it.

Who cares if Bernardini was retired. I sat out at Belmont Park and there were like 7000 people there for his JCGC.

So you're a rasta?

I have to agree with the overall point.....I know it was the 'rational' thing to do, but if they weren't so irrational in their spending all of the time then maybe I would accept this retirement....Frankly, it is a bit hypocritical when you look at their operation for them to retire this horse sound with only a handful of starts and 9 months of racing under his belt....

I was told from somebody from Darley that Discreet Cat was a BIG factor in retiring Bernardini because they feel that DC will win all of the big races in Dubai and the US next year and didn't want the two racing against each other....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I have to agree with the overall point.....I know it was the 'rational' thing to do, but if they weren't so irrational in their spending all of the time then maybe I would accept this retirement....Frankly, it is a bit hypocritical when you look at their operation for them to retire this horse sound with only a handful of starts and 9 months of racing under his belt....

I was told from somebody from Darley that Discreet Cat was a BIG factor in retiring Bernardini because they feel that DC will win all of the big races in Dubai and the US next year and didn't want the two racing against each other....

IF he stays healthy.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

So you're a rasta?

Blood clot, mon- i was there too yah, rass

how do billionaires get greedy?
seems like they're playing with monopoly money
they choose not to run!

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

how do billionaires get greedy?
seems like they're playing with monopoly money
they choose not to run!

They are greedy for stallion power. Bernardini looks like a much better stallion prospect than Discreet Cat or Invasor. It is not very "sporting" in the eyes of this fan.

[Danzig]

i don't know that GREED is the correct word here. the sheik felt that dubai millenium would be his big time stallion. of course poor luck and illness cost him his favorite horse. now he has another big horse in bernardini. it's strange, as others have said and i agree--people want that one special horse, one who sets the world on fire. but as soon as they get one, they get nervous and run scared. sheik mo thinks this guy is his big chance to have a signature stallion at his new farm. i mean, this guy tore down jonabell and re-built it from top to bottom, one end to the other. now he needs his own version of storm cat, ap indy, or dare i say...giants causeway to be his big star.

but doubting bernardini can live up to expectations is the right way to think about it. it's very difficult to make a stallion, especially a top notch, six figure commanding stallion who draws mares from all over the world. bernardini will start out as one, but where will he be in a few years? who knows?? he could end up a bust, plenty of others with fantastic pedigrees have done so. odds are more in favor of him failing to live up to expectations than of meeting them--and i don't see him exceeding those expectations! because plenty will be expected of him....

[Betsy]

He's right- I don't want to hear the word "sportsman" and the Sheikh in the same sentence.

[repent]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

They are greedy for stallion power. Bernardini looks like a much better stallion prospect than Discreet Cat or Invasor. It is not very "sporting" in the eyes of this fan.

this is the main point.

remember a year or so ago when Godolphin stopped buying yearlings by Coolmore/Ashford sires in some sort of protest against Tabor and Magnier not supporting their stallions at the sales?
it did not last long, but it brought out the point that Coolmore has totally kicked Godolphin/Darley's as* in the stallion/breeding industry?

Darley has E Dubai.
Coolmore has Giants Causeway.
see the difference?

they needed an AP Indy to do what Bernarndini did to help them catch up in this race.



Repent

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by repent

this is the main point.

remember a year or so ago when Godolphin stopped buying yearlings by Coolmore/Ashford sires in some sort of protest against Tabor and Magnier not supporting their stallions at the sales?
it did not last long, but it brought out the point that Coolmore has totally kicked Godolphin/Darley's as* in the stallion/breeding industry?

Darley has E Dubai.
Coolmore has Giants Causeway.
see the difference?

they needed an AP Indy to do what Bernarndini did to help them catch up in this race.



Repent

Darley/Coolmore rivalry has many twists that goes far beyond the track.

[sumitas]

Most of them retire horses early. Some good points about Henny Hughes. I'd take Kelly Kip over him in a second, providing the pedigrees and physicals fit.

[King Glorious]

Did this writer just say that if the Sheikhs were sporting.........like Mary Lou Whitney? The same MLW that retired the 3yo classic winning Birdstone before he could run as a 4yo? Someone care to explain how that's not hypocritical on his part for writing that?

I wonder how people would feel if instead of Invasor, they had ran Discreet Cat in the Classic......and he finished 7th as Bernardini romped home. I guess that would have been the sporting thing to do. Forget the fact (as the writer seemed to do) that they also own the horse that won the Classic. If they weren't sporting, they could have easily left Invasor sitting in the barn with Discreet Cat while Bernardini rolled to victory and with it, HOY and all of the accolades that come with it. Instead, they ran the two best horses in the race and that's still not enough for some of u.

People forget that the Sheikhs are into this game more on the breeding side than on the racing side. They didn't buy Bernardini as a racing prospect. They bought him as a breeding prospect and after giving him a season on the track, they are putting him to the use they bought him for. People keep talking about all the money they have and how they don't need the money from him being at stud. Those that say that are right; they don't need the money. But what they are hoping Bernardini can give them is something that all of their money can't buy; a homebred Derby winner. They would rather breed one Derby winner than buy 10 at the sales. People have different passions and ambitions in this game. They are chasing theirs. Why is that wrong? Why do they "owe" us more?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Did this writer just say that if the Sheikhs were sporting.........like Mary Lou Whitney? The same MLW that retired the 3yo classic winning Birdstone before he could run as a 4yo? Someone care to explain how that's not hypocritical on his part for writing that?

I wonder how people would feel if instead of Invasor, they had ran Discreet Cat in the Classic......and he finished 7th as Bernardini romped home. I guess that would have been the sporting thing to do. Forget the fact (as the writer seemed to do) that they also own the horse that won the Classic. If they weren't sporting, they could have easily left Invasor sitting in the barn with Discreet Cat while Bernardini rolled to victory and with it, HOY and all of the accolades that come with it. Instead, they ran the two best horses in the race and that's still not enough for some of u.

People forget that the Sheikhs are into this game more on the breeding side than on the racing side. They didn't buy Bernardini as a racing prospect. They bought him as a breeding prospect and after giving him a season on the track, they are putting him to the use they bought him for. People keep talking about all the money they have and how they don't need the money from him being at stud. Those that say that are right; they don't need the money. But what they are hoping Bernardini can give them is something that all of their money can't buy; a homebred Derby winner. They would rather breed one Derby winner than buy 10 at the sales. People have different passions and ambitions in this game. They are chasing theirs. Why is that wrong? Why do they "owe" us more?

i agree that they are comparing apples to apples in the case of marylou.

BUT, altho sheiks own both bernie and invasor, it's two different guys. thank goodness they weren't afraid of a bit of a family 'feud' and both ran their best.
and yes, it's the same thing i've been saying about bernardini, they want that homebred, that big stallion. but it's not as easy as they seem to think it might be.

everyone understands what they're attempting, they want that big classic winning horse. ironic thing is--they had him in bernardini!! Mo might never have another as good as him, regardless of the pairings they arrange for their colt in the shed.

It will be ironic if Bernardini never sires a Derby winner. His sire is phenomenal, yet he has not fathered a Derby winner. I am rooting for another Slew to sire a Derby winner before Darley gets theirs. Perhaps A.P. Indy or Mineshaft will do it. Vindication would really be great, as long as it is not a Darley-owned horse.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i agree that they are comparing apples to apples in the case of marylou.

BUT, altho sheiks own both bernie and invasor, it's two different guys. thank goodness they weren't afraid of a bit of a family 'feud' and both ran their best.
and yes, it's the same thing i've been saying about bernardini, they want that homebred, that big stallion. but it's not as easy as they seem to think it might be.

everyone understands what they're attempting, they want that big classic winning horse. ironic thing is--they had him in bernardini!! Mo might never have another as good as him, regardless of the pairings they arrange for their colt in the shed.

It's different guys technically but it's still the same family. Technically, Discreet Cat, Invasor, and Bernardini all have different owners. Same with Henny Hughes and Dubai Escapade. If the writer and others are going to complain that they didn't run Dubai Escapade and Discreet Cat because the family already had others in the race, then those same people that are complaining should be willing to acknowledge that the family didn't just duck the race with anything horse that was able to beat the "star". If that's what they were attempting to do, believe me, a call would have been made and Invasor would not have been in the Classic.

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

It will be ironic if Bernardini never sires a Derby winner. His sire is phenomenal, yet he has not fathered a Derby winner. I am rooting for another Slew to sire a Derby winner before Darley gets theirs. Perhaps A.P. Indy or Mineshaft will do it. Vindication would really be great, as long as it is not a Darley-owned horse.

such animosity, does it matter who owns a great horse or a great Sire ? btw I had a chance to tour farms around Lexington, and outta 20 odd sires(mineshaft, smarty, empiremaker, ap indy, congaree, etc) Vindication looked the best!!