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Old 02-18-2014, 10:20 PM
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Default Del Mar... NO MORE POLYTRACK

http://www.drf.com/news/del-mar-plan...irt-track-2015

Goodbye, farewell, good riddance. Don't ever come back.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:21 PM
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Great news. Now if Keeneland makes the move we will be all set.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:37 PM
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Its the right thing to do.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:44 AM
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Remember the big polytrack craze when it all started a few years back? it sure died pretty quick.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:48 AM
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Great news. Now if Keeneland makes the move we will be all set.
Amen! Get rid of it altogether
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:09 AM
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Amen! Get rid of it altogether
I would wager so much more if Keeneland was dirt. Speed biased or not.
The Blue Grass could actually be a real prep again.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:12 AM
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Yeah it's a shame that one of our premium race meets is run on polycrap
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:25 AM
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After rushing to a decision that ultimately completely ruined California racing, they are finally getting everyone back to dirt. What was the damn point? They've lost so many people like myself that won't wager on this junk that I don't know if they can ever get back.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:09 AM
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Yeah it's a shame that one of our premium race meets is run on polycrap
Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.
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Old 02-19-2014, 12:01 PM
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Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.
But, Steve, how can you dislike a surface that made Grade I winners out of Shotgun Gulch, Dr. Zic, Lilacs and Lace, Karlovy Vary, Joha, Dominican, Wickedly Perfect and Negligee?!!??!
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After rushing to a decision that ultimately completely ruined California racing, they are finally getting everyone back to dirt. What was the damn point? They've lost so many people like myself that won't wager on this junk that I don't know if they can ever get back.
I don't understand. So you don't wager on Santa Anita anymore, even though they've switched back to dirt?
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Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.
It's been promoted and talked about as the equivalent of our version of Ascot
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:09 PM
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Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.



how much did the ridiculous mandate in california cost these tracks? between the expense, the problems with the track surface at santa anita, and then the change back....what a complete mess.
i'm glad that del mar is making the move, but this stuff should never have happened to begin with.

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Old 02-19-2014, 02:18 PM
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YEAH !!!
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:26 PM
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But, Steve, how can you dislike a surface that made Grade I winners out of Shotgun Gulch, Dr. Zic, Lilacs and Lace, Karlovy Vary, Joha, Dominican, Wickedly Perfect and Negligee?!!??!
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:28 PM
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Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.
The problem is wagering has been actually strong at Keeneland, which I don't understand. Every big bettor I know treats the place like the plague. The results are not handicappable by any manner other than throwing darts. It's a wonderful place to visit, but not to wager. They deserve and get a lot of criticism as far as I'm concerned.

I, and most others, don't have a problem with synthetic as a replacement for dirt- as long as it's actually LIKE DIRT. Hollywood was perfectly playable. Del Mar and Keeneland are not.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:31 PM
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I know I'm in the huge minority on this. But I hate that they're switching back. No, they shouldn't have switched in the first place, but unlike SA they had no major drainage or other issues, right?

My main reason for being opposed to the move is I usually do really well anytime one meet ends and another meet starts and they switch surfaces. You can usually nail long shots early in meets that can't run on one surface, but wake up on the other.

I mean like when Arlington goes to Hawthrone
When SA goes to Hollywood (and now Del Mar)
Keeneland to Churchill to Turfway
Golden Gate to the fair tracks with dirt.

So my reasons are purely for handicapping, but that's why I want Del Mar to stay synthetic. The one outcome that I hope comes from this, that in the future when SoCal horses can't hack it on dirt, maybe a lot more will ship to GG to try and get some success from that surface?

****, I'd even love the Aqueduct inner to go synthetic lol

For you guys naming all these synth winners, is it really any different for a horse that can't run a step on dirt, but thrives on turf?
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Horses work out more than they race and get injured more often training than in racing. IF safety was the main selling point then why not install them in more training tracks rather than racing surfaces.
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Horses work out more than they race and get injured more often training than in racing. IF safety was the main selling point then why not install them in more training tracks rather than racing surfaces.
most are the same
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Premium meet? The turf is fine but the main track is a sideshow. And it's remarkable how the 'racing as it's meant to be' Keeneland organization that people slavishly fawn over, has completely escaped criticism for their craven money grab as partner with Polytrack/Martin Collins. They singlehandedly precipitated this preposterous 'synthetic era' before quietly disassociating themselves.
Well said.
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