Absolutely Horrendous DQ at belmont

Now I've seen everything. You just have to see the replay of the belmont 6th and look at why Ny's stewards are the worst in the country.
ticky tack mutual contact where neither rider ever stopped riding his mount and they take the horse down after a startlingly short inquiry.
These guys are the absolute worst.

[blackthroatedwind]

Obviously the winner deserved to come down, herded the horse out many paths while making contact, but so was the third race winner, who herded the second horse out even more, yet because there was no contact they didn't even blink the number. By holding his ground, the second finisher was able to draw the contact, and thus justly get put up.

The problem is not the decision....it's the lack of consistency.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Obviously the winner deserved to come down, herded the horse out many paths while making contact, but so was the third race winner, who herded the second horse out even more, yet because there was no contact they didn't even blink the number. By holding his ground, the second finisher was able to draw the contact, and thus justly get put up.

The problem is not the decision....it's the lack of consistency.

Thats pretty funny because I just got two phone calls from screaming people(one of whom you know well) who were angrier than I was. Lansdon couldnt believe it.
And I respectfully say bull****. The outside horse was actually coming in on the winner the last 100 yards and making contact. The initial(albeit minor) contact was indeed made by the winner but if you concentrate on the paths of the two horses late you can see that the outside horse indeed was coming in on the winner.
Its bull**** and complete bull**** at that. I can only go and find about 100 replays where far worse occurred and they didn't even give it a look.
The 2nd to last Friday at Saratoga there was an absolute mugfest in the last race(the race that meeses two pieces won) and they didn't even call an inquiry. Guy next to me was absolutely insane with rage wondering how that could be and upon watching the replay to see what he lost his mind over I could see why he lost his mind very clearly.
They stink and inconsistent doesnt even begin to describe it.

[slotdirt]

Was it as bad as the takedown in this year's Black Eyed Susan? That was a joke.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Was it as bad as the takedown in this year's Black Eyed Susan? That was a joke.

Different type of bad. But very bad.
I actually wonder sometimes if they even watch the races, I'm serious. I know there is no way that they watched the Meeses two Pieces race.

[slotdirt]

I'll have to catch the replay of today's race.

Seriously, I was mad six hours after Smart N Pretty came down that day. That was home cooking for Ramon, no two ways about it. In fact, four months later, I'm still bitter about it actually.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'll have to catch the replay of today's race.

Seriously, I was mad six hours after Smart N Pretty came down that day. That was home cooking for Ramon, no two ways about it. In fact, four months later, I'm still bitter about it actually.

I only had the exacta because they took Smart N Pretty down so from my eyes it looked like a great decision.

[slotdirt]

I had the opposite. Smart N Pretty on top paid pretty well as an exacta, maybe $100? Anyway, she was so clearly the best that day and it was so clearly obvious that both horses were leaning on eachother, there was no way she should have come down.

I feel oracle's pain.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I had the opposite. Smart N Pretty on top paid pretty well as an exacta, maybe $100? Anyway, she was so clearly the best that day and it was so clearly obvious that both horses were leaning on eachother, there was no way she should have come down.

I feel oracle's pain.

No pain now at all. Howie tesher just lit up the board with one of the most impossible horses you ever saw in your life at 21-1.
WIll this be enough to cause a carryover finally?

Oracle,

Can you shed some light on how the NYRA and the stewards work? How many are they? Do the same stewards travel to all three tracks? Basically, can you just share some knowledge with me.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by oracle80

No pain now at all. Howie tesher just lit up the board with one of the most impossible horses you ever saw in your life at 21-1.

Mikey..

The DQ killed me, but I liked the $45 winner a fair amount...

7th: CLM/N3L, 6f-OTT

1. #7 San Telmo 2-1
2. #10 Sultry City 5-2
A. #4 Sir Speedator 10-1
B. #9 Honest Expectation 20-1

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'll have to catch the replay of today's race.

Seriously, I was mad six hours after Smart N Pretty came down that day. That was home cooking for Ramon, no two ways about it. In fact, four months later, I'm still bitter about it actually.

You should have heard Dale Romans when I got him to come on ATRAB to talk about it on the Monday afterwards.. Utter fury and disgust..

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I had the opposite. Smart N Pretty on top paid pretty well as an exacta, maybe $100? Anyway, she was so clearly the best that day and it was so clearly obvious that both horses were leaning on eachother, there was no way she should have come down.

I feel oracle's pain.

What they did to Smart n Pretty that day was a crime.

Originally Posted by Kasept

Mikey..

The DQ killed me, but I liked the $45 winner a fair amount...

7th: CLM/N3L, 6f-OTT

1. #7 San Telmo 2-1
2. #10 Sultry City 5-2
A. #4 Sir Speedator 10-1
B. #9 Honest Expectation 20-1

Steve,
Do you remember the race where Meeses Two Pieces won the nightcap up here on a Friday and that guy was behind your bbq stand having a fit about the lack of an inquiry with that bumping by the 2nd or 3rd place finisher?
I watched the replay and that guy had every right to be howling. The third place horse or 2nd place horse(I forgot which one) absolutely murdered the 4th place finisher that day and they didn't even toss it up for a look.
I find it shocking that ticky tack bumping, which the put up horse caused at the end of the race merited a dq on a very short look.
I have no idea what these guys use as criteria on a daily basis and I don't think anyone else does either.
Ny is the only place on the planet where you can watch a head on replay and still have no idea how the stewards are going to react.
Whats a non issue one day is a dq the next.
Its unfathomable.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You should have heard Dale Romans when I got him to come on ATRAB to talk about it on the Monday afterwards.. Utter fury and disgust..

I remember they had the TV camera in his face after the DQ was announced.. .he did very well keeping a straight face... I'm sure he was cussing up and down on the inside.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What they did to Smart n Pretty that day was a crime.

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

[blackthroatedwind]

Once again, I agree with the call, just not their lack of consistancy. The only reason the outside horse made contact was because he held his ground and was bumped as the inside horse was coming out.

I don't give a **** who is complaining....I think anyone that thinks this DQ was incorrect is wrong ( and most likely biased ). But, if they left the third winner up, a number they didn't even blink, I think this one should have stayed as well. However, I believe the third winner should have come down.

I'm not particularly defending the stewards, as I am often in disagreement with them, but I believe in this particular instance the correct call was made. Remember, the horse held on by a nose and initiated contact.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. I think I was the only person in the entire grandstand at Pimlico that day who was bitter about that takedown. I thought for sure they'd take down Wanderin Boy in the Special because he basically did the same thing, but they didn't.

Totally agree that if the riders were reversed, results would have been the same. Embarassing that happened in the premier race for fillies in the state of Maryland.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Once again, I agree with the call, just not their lack of consistancy. The only reason the outside horse made contact was because he held his ground and was bumped as the inside horse was coming out.

I don't give a **** who is complaining....I think anyone that thinks this DQ was incorrect is wrong ( and most likely biased ). But, if they left the third winner up, a number they didn't even blink, I think this one should have stayed as well. However, I believe the third winner should have come down.

I'm not particularly defending the stewards, as I am often in disagreement with them, but I believe in this particular instance the correct call was made. Remember, the horse held on by a nose and initiated contact.

I was just about to rant about the third winner and use it as a basis but you beat me to it. I didn't watch the third race but yet another irate friend called and told me about it so I watched the replay.
I feel that one should have been a non call as well but Speedjama was clearly carried out much worse than the horse who was put up in the 6th race. The fact that the horses in the 6th race were in closer quarters should not matter. The fact is that Jimmy The K carried Speedjama out much more than the horse in the 6th ever did.
Now can anyone explain to me how one horse stays up and the other comes down because quite frankly I'm at a total loss.

[blackthroatedwind]

I agree with your last statement. There is no consistancy. The stewards, I think incorrectly, actually believe that when one horse bears out and the one outside drifts as well that they are both drifting. They foolishly don't understand that horses are herd animals and clearly the outside horse is drifting in response to the inside horse. I give credit to the rider of the 15 in the 6th, because he understood this, and smartly steered his horse to hold it's ground, and therefore recieived the contact that these stewards so desperately seem to need. Had he just allowed the other horse to carry his out without contact there would have been no DQ ( much like the 3rd race ).

However, since I strongly believe the horse in the third should have come down, I also believe the 6th winner was justly Dq'd. And, I did not bet either race.