The new party of no?

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40357872...-capitol_hill/

LOL. Yes the GOP is in trouble and the dems are above this stuff and really only do stuff that's in the best interest of the country...


I know the lefties will howl...


...but your party is in big trouble when they think Obama has compromised too much and leans to the right of center.

The most unpopular politician in America gets reelected to position of power by the party and vows to block compromise? Yeah that will play favorably in this political clmate? If the GOP tried to make palin a dictator they would stand a better chance than Obama getting re-elected.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40357872...-capitol_hill/

LOL. Yes the GOP is in trouble and the dems are above this stuff and really only do stuff that's in the best interest of the country...


I know the lefties will howl...


...but your party is in big trouble when they think Obama has compromised too much and leans to the right of center.

The most unpopular politician in America gets reelected to position of power by the party and vows to block compromise? Yeah that will play favorably in this political clmate? If the GOP tried to make palin a dictator they would stand a better chance than Obama getting re-elected.

Palin vs Obama.. Who you votin for? I'd ****in vote for Nascar instead of Palin.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Palin vs Obama.. Who you votin for? I'd ****in vote for Nascar instead of Palin.

Instead of rioting the thread with palinenvy, why not tell why you like the Pelosi strategy?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Instead of rioting the thread with palinenvy, why not tell why you like the Pelosi strategy?

Dude.. I use my brain and vote for the best person regardless of party. Try it sometime... Right now they all suck. I don't want it to come down to Palin v Obama because we all lose..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude.. I use my brain and vote for the best person regardless of party. Try it sometime... Right now they all suck. I don't want it to come down to Palin v Obama because we all lose..

We all lose regardless of who is nominated. I am having a little trouble believing that you are as open minded as you are saying that you are. Of course you have completely ignored the original link so far which says something, not sure what though...

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We all lose regardless of who is nominated. I am having a little trouble believing that you are as open minded as you are saying that you are. Of course you have completely ignored the original link so far which says something, not sure what though...

Ok I read it... Are you suprised that a politician is changing course? These clowns are in it for themselves not the people they serve. They say and do whatever it takes to get them elected again while lining up a lucrative gig when they finally get the boot... Give me someone other than Palin who may be the only person in the world less qualified than that Yale Cheerleader we elected previously.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...heerleader.htm

[dellinger63]

JUST SAY NO! Nancy Reagan may have known!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He should tell them that the Bush tax cuts will end for the rich. Whether they end for the Middle Class is up to the Repubics. Period. If he wants to get elected again, then he needs to get things done that people (who voted for him the first time) want done. The majority of his voters want the tax break for the rich to expire. If the Reps keep the middle from getting their tax break continued, then, it's on them. He wasn't for doing it. They were. Junior needs to grow a set, and lead. He needs to be good at exposing who's to blame for something. Clinton was very good at that, and this guy needs to get much better at it. He needs to call their bluff. Grow a set. He has tried to negotiate with ideologues. He got nowhere, and he's gunna meet with them on the 30th to do the same crap that didn't work. How many times does this guy got to be shown? Change, buddy.

[dellinger63]

either you are born w/a set or you're not. This guy throwing a baseball affiliated with a 4 fingered ballerina has displayed more than a few times he has NONE! Whether they be American or not! LMAO

SANCTIONS, TAMPONS and TITTIES for everyone!!!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

either you are born w/a set or you're not. This guy throwing a baseball affiliated with a 4 fingered ballerina has displayed more than a few times he has NONE! Whether they be American or not! LMAO

SANCTIONS, TAMPONS and TITTIES for everyone!!!

Could at least get some Testosterone shots. Make them vote on whether to extend it for just the Middle Class. They say they aren't just out for the rich. Let's see about that.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

Palin vs Obama.. Who you votin for? I'd ****in vote for Nascar instead of Palin.

Thank you for the kind and generous words.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dude.. I use my brain and vote for the best person regardless of party. Try it sometime... Right now they all suck. I don't want it to come down to Palin v Obama because we all lose..

I have to hand it to you. You have hit it right on the button when it comes to the above politicians.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The most unpopular politician in America gets reelected to position of power by the party and vows to block compromise? Yeah that will play favorably in this political clmate? If the GOP tried to make palin a dictator they would stand a better chance than Obama getting re-elected.

Pelosi is correctly reading what her base has been saying for 8 years. For example, Nascar keeps pointing out people don't health care, but what he neglects to realize is that a good portion of those who "don't like it" wanted far more than the few reforms that were delivered (they wanted single payer)

Look at the election results. The election threw out blue dogs, leaving the Democratic party (especially in the House) and Senate far more progressively-oriented than prior to the election, and sending a clear message to the Dems from their base.

Pelosi has always been of that bent, and now she's determined to represent that base, and part of that is preventing the President from giving away more to the GOP.

That will indeed play extremely favorably among Democrats and a significant portion of independents.

The Dem governor association will also become more active (purposely), the main thrust will be to get single-payer health care established in several states (Oregon, Vermont first) before the next election.

The GOP has moved far to the right in the past 10 years, virtually eliminating their middle. Now the Dems have just moved more to the left, kicking out the blue dogs.

Yes, the GOP is very unhappy with the re-entrenchment of the Dems even more to the left, but the Dem base is thrilled. They want to make Obama stop cowtowing to the GOP, and Pelosi and Reid will both now take that stand.

I still think the GOP will end up with Romney as the GOP nominee.

The GOP will always be at a significant disadvantage in numbers in the future, as the white rural older vote (their base) is shrinking in numbers, while minority-young voters are increasing exponentially and will soon be "the majority" in this country. The GOP continues to move further and further from the largest growing voter blocks across the country. They have to recapture a significant number of "independents" to win the next election (their base is outnumbered by Dem base, but more predictably shows at elections) I doubt it will happen with the Tea Party dragging the GOP farther and farther to the right. We'll see.

And regarding your favorite girl Sarah, I do think it's Palin that is the "most unpopular" politician in the country. But hey, at least she supports the North Koreans. South Koreans. Whatever.

[dellinger63]

Pelosi after saying we can't afford to continue w/the Bush tax schedule now wants to give every senior $250 regardless if they're buying dog food or using it to pay for a bar bill before dinner.

Here ya go you old crusty biatch

..................................NO!...............................

[Riot]

Pelosi after saying we can't afford to continue w/the Bush tax schedule now wants to give every senior $250 regardless if their buying dog food or using it to pay for a bar bill before dinner.

And you are unable to understand the difference?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you are unable to understand the difference?

only if she is proposing seniors making 250K or more are NOT going to get the checks. Otherwise she's trying to pimp some senior votes.

Or do you think seniors making 250K or more or even poor seniors should get checks and have the youngsters in grades 1-5 pay for them in 20 yrs w/interest?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

only if she is proposing seniors making 250K or more are NOT going to get the checks. Otherwise she's trying to pimp some senior votes.

Or do you think seniors making 250K or more or even poor seniors should get checks and have the youngsters in grades 1-5 pay for them in 20 yrs w/interest?

Wow. If she were trying to "pimp some senior votes", you'd think they would have done this, you know, before the election, when it would have resulted in some votes It's been discussed for a year.

Nobody has intertwined our income tax structure with social security COLA, as you are doing above. Interesting.

Social security is fine for the next 40 years, even if we do nothing, isn't it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Pelosi is correctly reading what her base has been saying for 8 years. For example, Nascar keeps pointing out people don't health care, but what he neglects to realize is that a good portion of those who "don't like it" wanted far more than the few reforms that were delivered (they wanted single payer)

Look at the election results. The election threw out blue dogs, leaving the Democratic party (especially in the House) and Senate far more progressively-oriented than prior to the election, and sending a clear message to the Dems from their base.

Pelosi has always been of that bent, and now she's determined to represent that base, and part of that is preventing the President from giving away more to the GOP.

That will indeed play extremely favorably among Democrats and a significant portion of independents.

The Dem governor association will also become more active (purposely), the main thrust will be to get single-payer health care established in several states (Oregon, Vermont first) before the next election.

The GOP has moved far to the right in the past 10 years, virtually eliminating their middle. Now the Dems have just moved more to the left, kicking out the blue dogs.

Yes, the GOP is very unhappy with the re-entrenchment of the Dems even more to the left, but the Dem base is thrilled. They want to make Obama stop cowtowing to the GOP, and Pelosi and Reid will both now take that stand.

I still think the GOP will end up with Romney as the GOP nominee.

The GOP will always be at a significant disadvantage in numbers in the future, as the white rural older vote (their base) is shrinking in numbers, while minority-young voters are increasing exponentially and will soon be "the majority" in this country. The GOP continues to move further and further from the largest growing voter blocks across the country. They have to recapture a significant number of "independents" to win the next election (their base is outnumbered by Dem base, but more predictably shows at elections) I doubt it will happen with the Tea Party dragging the GOP farther and farther to the right. We'll see.

And regarding your favorite girl Sarah, I do think it's Palin that is the "most unpopular" politician in the country. But hey, at least she supports the North Koreans. South Koreans. Whatever.

If you really believe that the election results were simply about throwing out Blue dogs I just dont have much else to say because you wont get it anyway. Pelosi maintaining leadership is a great thing for the GOP regardless of how you spin it. And for someone who has written a 100 threads about the GOP being the "party of no" because their supposed lack of compromise on issues, it is interesting that the Dems becoming exactly what you complained about seems to elude you as well.

[Riot]

If you really believe that the election results were simply about throwing out Blue dogs I just dont have much else to say because you wont get it anyway.

Sigh. Lissen up - I didn't say the election was about throwing out blue dogs. I said that ended up being the result, though.

The more progressive elements of the Dems are pretty happy that what is left for the Dems is the most progressive wing of the party.

Pelosi maintaining leadership is a great thing for the GOP regardless of how you spin it.

"Spin it"? You're the one that brought it up. Did you not want other posters to discuss it?

You said, "The most unpopular politician in America gets reelected to position of power by the party and vows to block compromise?"

First, Pelosi has measurably been one of the most effective Speakers of the House - ever. The GOP didn't want to put Obama's face in their ads (his personal popularity remained higher than the Dems or the GOP) so they made their campaign anti-Pelosi. Smart for the GOP, of course.

But the vast "unpopularity" you perceive of Pelosi is certainly one-sided as to what what the GOP thinks.

Proven by that she readily held on to her leadership position, in spite of losses in the House. She's well-respected, effective and popular within her own party.

Secondly, yes, my entire post was about Pelosi (and Reid) now being more willing to not compromise a bit with the GOP, in response to what their base has been screaming for, for the past two years.

And for someone who has written a 100 threads about the GOP being the "party of no" because their supposed lack of compromise on issues, it is interesting that the Dems becoming exactly what you complained about seems to elude you as well

"Elude" me? There can hardly be "elusion" when I just spent an entire post talking about it.

There is no "supposed" lack of compromise by the GOP on the issues during the last two years, that's simple measurable fact. They have fillibustered and blocked virtually everything in the Senate.

Over 400 bills passed from the House, and are waiting for the Senate to act. It has been one of the most unproductive two years in the Senate ever measured.

The GOP have been whining for two years that Obama was a dictator, while they have blocked everything themselves - has that hasn't seemed to get them anywhere in the public popularity polls.

The GOP couldn't win several Senate seats they should have, they couldn't even defeat Harry Reid!

The GOP has been infused with more polarizing social elements of their party at the novice level (evangelicals, Tea Bags, Libertarians, etc). That is already splitting the GOP caucus. They are working hard to iron that out and appear a cohesive group. It appears they already have gotten some of the newbies in line.

The Dems are left with the more progressive of their party in power, led by two very progressive, experienced leaders. The Dems are shifting left, away from the President, in response to what their base is saying about the 2008 election and what has happened since.

It will be an interesting two years. I predict the Dem base will emerge happier than the GOP base ** - but we'll see!

(**the GOP taking up social issues, if forced to by the newbies - trying to outlaw abortion, repeal stem cell research, creationism in schools, attack the President w/impeachment investigations, etc. - would be the death of the GOP in the next election. It's the economy, stupid. The GOP election game plan of trickle down economics: cutting taxes, freeze spending - simply doesn't work. We just lost 700,000 jobs with that the last months of Bush. They have to come up with more than just those platitudes. If Pelosi & Reid does stand tall against Obama and blocks tax cut extensions to the wealthy by allowing the Bush cuts to expire, but she gets a new middle-class only cut passed in the lame duck - that's huge win for the Dems)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And for someone who has written a 100 threads about the GOP being the "party of no" because their supposed lack of compromise on issues, it is interesting that the Dems becoming exactly what you complained about seems to elude you as well.

The DEMS want tax breaks for the Middle, and not for the Rich. The Republicans want tax breaks for everyone. So, they agree on something ( keeping the Bush tax cut in place for the Middle.) Why should they have to negotiate on something the Republicans are supposed to be for? If the Republicans were supposed to be against keeping the tax break for the middle, then this would make a lot more sense. I think forcing the Republicans to vote on this is a must. Get them on record (against keeping the tax break for the Middle.) If he wants to get elected again, he better expose the differences between the 2 choices. Start here. The only way to get Republicans to come towards the center is to threaten to expose their true beliefs. Threaten to make them take votes that expose the differences between them and independent voters.