Beldame rematch

[Merlinsky]

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/3...ood-shape.html

From the looks of things we could end up with Life At Ten, Persistently, and Rachel Alexandra all coming back in the 1 1/8 mile Beldame. Assuming, of course, that weird things don't go down with evaluating Rachel's "condition" or however Asmussen put it. Hopefully it's just semantics and maybe a reference to her running down the right hind and clipping the right front.

[Indian Charlie]

Zenyatta!

[DaTruth]

If RA wins the Beldame and points for the Ladies Classic, it will be interesting to see what zenyatta's connections do. If RA wins the Beldame and Ladies Classic and zenyatta does not run well in the Classic, then RA will likely win the Eclipse for champion older female. Jess Jackson will announce that RA will race in 2011 with the goal of retiring as the leading money earning female, which will prompt Moss to keep Zenyatta in training for another year of challenging races.

[RockHardTen1985]

UB has ran over 2 big time speed bias tracks in her last 2 starts. Both times getting popped by Todd. If the 3 of them show up here she is surely to be the longest price and I would give her a long look.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Even if all three run back in the Beldame - you'll see much faster fractions and a MUCH slower pace.

The speed of the track for the Personal Ensign was very similar on Alabama day.

Let's take the Alabama's 4th place finisher Devil May Care - a filly who was in front of speedy horses like Discreetly Mine, Conveyance, Sidney's Candy after a mile in the Kentucky Derby before collapsing late. She's a horse who I believe wants no part of 10 furlongs.

In the Alabama - over a very similar track to the one in the Personal Ensign - she was rating comfortably while 5 lengths behind a 1:14.81 pace.

Acting Happy - the Alabama pacesetter - would have been 17 lengths behind Rachel Alexandra's PE pace .. which means Devil May Care would have trailed Rachel Alexandra by 22 lengths with four furlongs to go.

Here's how Devil May Care's race looks if she ran in the PE instead of Alabama:

After six furlongs: 22 lengths back

After one-mile: 11 lengths back

At the finish: In a photo with Rachel Alexandra for 2nd place

Here's how Harve De Grace's race looks in the PE:

After six furlongs: 21 lengths back

After one-mile: 10 lengths back

At the finsh: Finishes 4.5 lengths in front of Rachel Alexandra - wins the race easily


Here's Life AT Ten's race in the Alabama instead of PE:

After six furlongs: She's on a 16.5 length lead

After One Mile: She's on a 6.5 length lead

At the finish: She finishes about 16 lengths behind Blind Luck and Harve De Grace.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

If RA wins the Beldame and points for the Ladies Classic, it will be interesting to see what zenyatta's connections do. If RA wins the Beldame and Ladies Classic and zenyatta does not run well in the Classic, then RA will likely win the Eclipse for champion older female. Jess Jackson will announce that RA will race in 2011 with the goal of retiring as the leading money earning female, which will prompt Moss to keep Zenyatta in training for another year of challenging races.

hey dream world...do i have to dredge up all the threads. i was saying rachel would end up in the ladies classic, not the classic, months ago. zenyatta most likely will start in the classic..which is what they were pointing for all along. for a name ...da truth..well. now you are reaching for crappy eclipse awards...like zenyatta cares. she will most likely run better anyway then RA...like you said IF,IF RA can win....lol. try reading a racing form, i could care less about the phony zenyatta , rachel debate...there isn't one at this point. one horse is hitting all races in the right way for the BC...the other is not....thats more the truth then your little dream you posted. not that i'm some big zenyatta lover...but the truth hurts.....lol. even if zenyatta only hits the board. whats the other camp going to say.....we beat macho again and bulsbay last year....lol...lol

[Clip-Clop]

So is Blind Luck the best filly in training then? Or would she have just won any 10F race at 'Toga this summer?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

So is Blind Luck the best filly in training then? Or would she have just won any 10F race at 'Toga this summer?

She was the best filly in the Alabama for sure.

If you insert only RA or Life At Ten in the Alabama - they'd have walked on the lead ... RA would have won easily - Life At Ten would have run back to her easy Del Cap score.

The whole 10 furlong thing is pure nonsense. Life At Ten handled it fine when unpressured at Delaware. When asked to go on a suicide mission last time - she finished 11.5 behind Persistently.

Watch the way Rachel Alexandra finished up in the Kentucky Oaks under no urging again .. that's a 3yo filly in early May trained by Hal Wiggins .. if she gets no pressure she absolutely thrives at 10 furlongs. If she's locked up with Big Drama or in a duel with Life At Ten - she's not seeing it out.

Miss Singshix is a better 10 furlong horse than Persistantly - she was just beaten 15+ lengths by Persistantly at 10 furlongs because Persistantly is a much better closing sprinter...and the race was run like a sprint. Miss Singshix was kept way too close to the pace and stopped because of it.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She was the best filly in the Alabama for sure.

If you insert only RA or Life At Ten in the Alabama - they'd have walked on the lead ... RA would have won easily - Life At Ten would have run back to her easy Del Cap score.

The whole 10 furlong thing is pure nonsense. Life At Ten handled it fine when unpressured at Delaware. When asked to go on a suicide mission last time - she finished 11.5 behind Persistently.

Watch the way Rachel Alexandra finished up in the Kentucky Oaks under no urging again .. that's a 3yo filly in early May trained by Hal Wiggins .. if she gets no pressure she absolutely thrives at 10 furlongs. If she's locked up with Big Drama or in a duel with Life At Ten - she's not seeing it out.

Miss Singshix is a better 10 furlong horse than Persistantly - she was just beaten 15+ lengths by Persistantly at 10 furlongs because Persistantly is a much better closing sprinter...and the race was run like a sprint. Miss Singshix was kept way too close to the pace and stopped because of it.

She did get the 9.5 after putting BD away though, again in early May though.

Second Bold, kind of the way Sun King used to finish up in longer races?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Miss Singshix is a better 10 furlong horse than Persistantly - she was just beaten 15+ lengths by Persistantly at 10 furlongs because Persistantly is a much better closing sprinter...and the race was run like a sprint. Miss Singshix was kept way too close to the pace and stopped because of it.

Maybe she was too close to the pace and Valdivia could have waited abit longer, but she ran very similar to other Wolfson imports of late at AP and Spa. Wolfson looked to have a live turf horse this weekend but did nothing, her run was very reminiscent to Jessica Is Back's race against Rachel earlier in the year also. I don't trust Wolfson at certain tracks, obviously he is great at Calder and Gulfstream, and perhaps at tracks where the wild west rules run wild. But she was empty this day, there is no way she shouldn't have at least clunked up for third in the PE.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

Maybe she was too close to the pace and Valdivia could have waited abit longer, but she ran very similar to other Wolfson imports of late at AP and Spa. Wolfson looked to have a live turf horse this weekend but did nothing, her run was very reminiscent to Jessica Is Back's race against Rachel earlier in the year also. I don't trust Wolfson at certain tracks, obviously he is great at Calder and Gulfstream, and perhaps at tracks where the wild west rules run wild. But she was empty this day, there is no way she shouldn't have at least clunked up for third in the PE.

Im sure Im not the only one wondering why he continues to talk about a closing sprinter going 10f and talking up Martys horse like shes that much better then the Shug. Some of the logic being used here is simply WRONG.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im sure Im not the only one wondering why he continues to talk about a closing sprinter going 10f and talking up Martys horse like shes that much better then the Shug. Some of the logic being used here is simply WRONG.

Here's the thing, if Zenyatta was in the Ensign, Borel takes back and concedes the lead to Life At 10. There is no way either Jockey gets into a duel knowing there is a legitimate closer coming from the back. Miss Singshix should have been the benefactor of the pace scenario that developed. In a race between Persistantly and Miss Singshix at GP next year, if it happens, I would gladly take the latter. I think she is a better horse than Persistantly, plain and simple.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im sure Im not the only one wondering why he continues to talk about a closing sprinter going 10f and talking up Martys horse like shes that much better then the Shug. Some of the logic being used here is simply WRONG.

There's a competent contrarian nature to a lot of it .. because that's what leads to high ROI.

Someone who tries to be contrarian without understanding some of this stuff ... that's what leads to thinking Admiral Alex has a shot to win the Travers.

[Dahoss]

CSC1985 and RockTardLiar1985 are proving to be some tag team. Combined they have a thimble's worth of horse racing acumen, but they talk a good game.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There's a competent contrarian nature to a lot of it .. because that's what leads to high ROI.

Someone who tries to be contrarian without understanding some of this stuff ... that's what leads to thinking Admiral Alex has a shot to win the Travers.

A shot meaning no one should say he has 0 chance.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A shot meaning no one should say he has 0 chance.

Dude, Admiral Alex was one of the most obvious no hopers you've seen in the last 5 years.

You just didn't realize it.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

hey dream world...do i have to dredge up all the threads. i was saying rachel would end up in the ladies classic, not the classic, months ago. zenyatta most likely will start in the classic..which is what they were pointing for all along. for a name ...da truth..well. now you are reaching for crappy eclipse awards...like zenyatta cares. she will most likely run better anyway then RA...like you said IF,IF RA can win....lol. try reading a racing form, i could care less about the phony zenyatta , rachel debate...there isn't one at this point. one horse is hitting all races in the right way for the BC...the other is not....thats more the truth then your little dream you posted. not that i'm some big zenyatta lover...but the truth hurts.....lol. even if zenyatta only hits the board. whats the other camp going to say.....we beat macho again and bulsbay last year....lol...lol

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