Is Tiger a more dynamic athlete than Jordan?

#1 08-20-2006, 08:37 PM

...I think he is certainly making his case for the best athlete to ever walk this planet - and a strong case at that....Wow...what a freak of nature....his win at Medina today in the PGA Championship wasn't even fair.....

#2 08-20-2006, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

...I think he is certainly making his case for the best athlete to ever walk this planet - and a strong case at that....Wow...what a freak of nature....his win at Medina today in the PGA Championship wasn't even fair.....

it was...but I'm a Jordan guy myself, I consider golf more of a skill, almost like darts, rather than an actual sport with athletes involved

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 08-20-2006, 09:04 PM

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SCUDSBROTHER · #4 08-20-2006, 09:12 PM

Well,I know that most great athletes have tried to play Basketball.I don't think the same is true for Golf.So,I think Tiger doesn't have to beat as many of the the same type of athletes as Jordon did.

#5 08-20-2006, 09:19 PM

really he's beating middle-aged men
what other "sport" allows a guy in his prime
to compete against the middle-aged & the beer-bellied?

whorstman · #6 08-21-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

really he's beating middle-aged men
what other "sport" allows a guy in his prime
to compete against the middle-aged & the beer-bellied?

Not sure if you guys notice this or not, but they were showing 99 Medina and did you see the difference in Tigers build? He is **** diesel compared to what he was back then. Guys on the tour are all working out, cept maybe fat Phill, lol. Tiger will **** on Jack's 18 before it's over. He is re-writing history. 1st to win multiple majors 2 years in a row. I can't say enough about the guy. You may have to say he's the best at his trade ever. MJ was a juggernaut in his time BTW. I loved to watch him play.

Smooth Operator · #7 08-21-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

really he's beating middle-aged men
what other "sport" allows a guy in his prime
to compete against the middle-aged & the beer-bellied?

Lol

Didn't that 16-year-old chick (Wie) make the cut in men's event?

That's like Maria Sharapova making it to the 4th round on the men's side of the Australian Open.

Yeah, those golfers are some athletes.....lol

somerfrost · #8 08-21-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Lol

Didn't that 16-year-old chick (Wie) make the cut in men's event?

That's like Maria Sharapova making it to the 4th round on the men's side of the Australian Open.

Yeah, those golfers are some athletes.....lol

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

#9 08-21-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Somer I can be critical, but I also "love" too
there are some horses, ballplayers, etc, I'm crazy about
so call me a "hater" but the question was Tiger or MJ
I picked MJ
in fact some of that socialogical impact Tiger has is really negative
not really by any doing of his own
but now ya got every daddy and mommy wanting Little Bobby
to be the next protege', the next Tiger Woods
who goes on Bob Hope and says he'll be the best and does it
he's 1 in a million, and the socialogical effect has been a false reality
presented to children by their parents

Smooth Operator · #10 08-21-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Man, this board is getting as poluted by haters as ESPN...I expect mindless crap from Coach, Seattle and a few others but man...if my memory is correct, doesn't MJ play golf (and quite well I might add), Charles Barkley, Strahan, actually most big-name athletes seem to enjoy golf...but none win tourneys against the pros. Comparing Wie...well, she is an absolute freak, I doubt MJ could out drive her! Of course Golf is a sport, it takes a tremendous amount of skill to even hit a golf ball in the right direction, and putting...!!! Regarding the original question...I think Tiger has made a bigger impact on kids than even MJ, he's introduced a whole new world to millions of them especially inner city minority kids. MJ was the most exciting,dynamic athlete ever imo...so, no, MJ was more dynamic, but Tiger will have a bigger sociological impact!

Please, somerfrost

Sure it takes a lot of skill to be a successful golfer, but in what real sport can a 16yo girl compete successfully against the best male athletes?.....tennis?.....basketball?.....track & field?.....boxing?

Golf is a game.....like bowling and billiards.

somerfrost · #11 08-21-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Please, somerfrost

Sure it takes a lot of skill to be a successful golfer, but in what real sport can a 16yo girl compete successfully against the best male athletes?.....tennis?.....basketball?.....track & field?.....boxing?

Golf is a game.....like bowling and billiards.

Well, Julie Krone competed rather successfully against men, beat them constantly in fact. Wie hasn't "beaten" the men, she qualified in a tourney. The other sports...well, they are one-on-one sports, you compete directly against another person(s)...golf, you are playing against the course. If it was match play against the best men, she'd not last long if at all. The best golfers, even Tiger, can have bad days...he missed the cut in the Open (obviously there was a reason) but he missed the cut! Wie drives over 300 yards, that means that physically she is on a man's level in golf, that's like a woman hitting Nolan Ryan's fastball over the center field fence...I bet if a woman comes along who can do that, she'd be playing in the majors! If a woman can fly down the lane and complete a 360 degree slam over Shaq, she'll be in the NBA! You are taking a single unbelievable talent...a freak of nature...and using her to discredit a sport, that's not fair! The average pro woman's golfer cannot compete against the men, and the average older pro goes on the senior tour...ever notice how they dominate there the first few years they are eligible?

dalakhani · #12 08-21-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Julie Krone competed rather successfully against men, beat them constantly in fact. Wie hasn't "beaten" the men, she qualified in a tourney. The other sports...well, they are one-on-one sports, you compete directly against another person(s)...golf, you are playing against the course. If it was match play against the best men, she'd not last long if at all. The best golfers, even Tiger, can have bad days...he missed the cut in the Open (obviously there was a reason) but he missed the cut! Wie drives over 300 yards, that means that physically she is on a man's level in golf, that's like a woman hitting Nolan Ryan's fastball over the center field fence...I bet if a woman comes along who can do that, she'd be playing in the majors! If a woman can fly down the lane and complete a 360 degree slam over Shaq, she'll be in the NBA! You are taking a single unbelievable talent...a freak of nature...and using her to discredit a sport, that's not fair! The average pro woman's golfer cannot compete against the men, and the average older pro goes on the senior tour...ever notice how they dominate there the first few years they are eligible?

But the thing is...you dont have to be a great athlete to play golf at the highest levels. What other "sport" can you say that about? Would anybody confuse John Daly or Ken Perry with even being marginal "athletes"?

Now, can you name me an NBA player that isnt at least a marginal athlete? Even one. The truth is...you cant. How about hockey player? Or football player? Or soccer player? Or tennis player?

What other "sport" can you play where you can be drunk before the game is halfway over? In what other "sport" can an "athlete" like John Daly smoke cigarettes like a chimney WHILE he is playing?

What do golfers do that would be deemed an "athletic" endeavor? Do they run? Jump? lift? does it take good reflexes? quickness of foot? heck- they dont even carry their own bags anymore and one guy can even ride around in a cart!!!

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

Smooth Operator · #13 08-21-2006, 08:23 PM

Exactly, dalakhani

Frankly, if I was a pro golfer and some teenage girl made the cut ahead of me, I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.....and probably would seriously consider switching to another profession.

GPK · #14 08-21-2006, 08:43 PM

Please name the PGA Tour mens event that she made the cut in...has never happened, nor will it ever happen. I think she may have made the cut in an Asian PGA Tour event, but sh*t...I could make the cut in a few of those events. She simply does not putt well enough. I can say with certainty that I have spent more time around Michelle than the a great deal of the people on Derby Trail. She is an incredible talent that hits the ball just as far if not farther than alot of men on the PGA Tour, but that alone means nothing. Until she learns to win and improves her short game, she is wasting time on the PGA Tour. She is still 16...she needs to keep her ass on the LPGA tour and learn to win there so the tour will have a bona fide star waiting in the wings when Annika retires, which will be sooner than most people think.

GPK · #15 08-21-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Exactly, dalakhani

Frankly, if I was a pro golfer and some teenage girl made the cut ahead of me, I'd be pretty damn embarrassed.....and probably would seriously consider switching to another profession.

Michelle hits the ball farther than I could ever dream of hitting it and I have played golf at a high level for an awfully long time.

Smooth Operator · #16 08-21-2006, 10:12 PM

Could she punch up a lower score than you over 36 holes, GPK?

GPK · #17 08-21-2006, 10:28 PM

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Could she punch up a lower score than you over 36 holes, GPK?

90 to 95 times out of a 100, yeah....and I would be one proud SOB those 5-10 times I beat her. Im telling ya Smooth...I stood right beside her on the range in Hawaii last year and watched her hit 3wood 270yards on a rope time and time again. I watched her hit irons that never left the flag. Im telling ya...if they could somehow get Kelly Leadbetter to quit being her putting coach and go to someone more reputable and knowledgable....she would start winning...I promise you.

#18 08-21-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

...I think he is certainly making his case for the best athlete to ever walk this planet - and a strong case at that....Wow...what a freak of nature....his win at Medina today in the PGA Championship wasn't even fair.....

Totally agree. We wont see dominance like this in any sport again. We wont live long enough. It is incredible to me that in a sport like Golf that is going to automatically produce some very bad breaks no matter how well you hit the ball can be overcome by a guy that is just so far ahead physically and mentally.. its amazing. It should be much more likely to happen in a team sport or some other sport where bad breaks dont play such a big role.

And he says he still has a lot to learn and is getting better at not forcing the issue and just playing the course. He is never satisfied. Closest thing to a God I have ever seen.

#19 08-21-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

Hell of a lot more involved in Golf. It is the single most difficult game on the planet imo. The game makes me hate myself deeply. Im suprised more people dont commit suicide while playing.

You hit a perfect putt right on line, perfect speed its going in ...a grain of sand and a slight puff of wind and around the rim of the cup. God help me. And I suck so bad. Look at a guy like Charles Barkely who was an absolutely fantastic athlete. 6 foot 4 and he could get the ball over anybody down low. INcredible. Watch him swing the golf club and it will make you puke. Such a weird game.

somerfrost · #20 08-21-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

But the thing is...you dont have to be a great athlete to play golf at the highest levels. What other "sport" can you say that about? Would anybody confuse John Daly or Ken Perry with even being marginal "athletes"?

Now, can you name me an NBA player that isnt at least a marginal athlete? Even one. The truth is...you cant. How about hockey player? Or football player? Or soccer player? Or tennis player?

What other "sport" can you play where you can be drunk before the game is halfway over? In what other "sport" can an "athlete" like John Daly smoke cigarettes like a chimney WHILE he is playing?

What do golfers do that would be deemed an "athletic" endeavor? Do they run? Jump? lift? does it take good reflexes? quickness of foot? heck- they dont even carry their own bags anymore and one guy can even ride around in a cart!!!

Sure, it takes an amazing amount of skill to play golf. I play. But is it any more of a "sport" than archery?

You taken a close look at some baseball players? For that matter, I suspect there are a couple nose tackles in football that I could still outrun...they were showing Warren Sapp last week on the sidelines without his pads and he was as big as the Goodyear Blimp! Is women's baskerball a sport? Lots of women playing there...all could handle anyone on this board. Of course they can't play in the NBA but the WNBA...is it a sport? Is woman's softball a sport? The women's semi-pro football leagues, wanta tell those girls they aren't playing a sport? Is horse racing a sport?