Crist: The BC deserves NOT to have RA

[tector]

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2009/...ay-1-8409.html

Money quote:

It's cracker-barrel fun to speculate about the rest of her season, but some of the suggestions are getting silly. Turf Classic? Arc de Triomphe? Breeders' Cup Classic? If they want to try her on grass once next year, swell, but there is no reason for her to switch surfaces now or ever to run on a synthetic racetrack, and her handlers have made it clear they aren't going down that road.

If her absence from this year's Breeders' Cup has any influence in ensuring that the Cup will never again be run on a synthetic track two years in a row -- and in reminding this industry's "leaders" that greatness in the American racehorse has for centuries been determined by performances on dirt tracks, and will continue to be long after the last synthetic track has been dug up and restored to dirt -- all the better.

[freddymo]

I have been trying to drum this thru Chuck's head for two days now. Maybe now he will figure out the real deal. You think one of the sports biggest advocates, doesn't recognize that more people will buy his products BC Day with Rachel in? You think this man wants to watch Rachel in the barn or on the track? Obviously you folks who think that she needs(not sure why any dirt star would NEED) to run on Pro ride simply dont get that sometimes tough love works..

[the_fat_man]

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

[tector]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

So, is that a beer belly or what?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by tector

So, is that a beer belly or what?

I'd look to your hero Crist for the belly.

[fpsoxfan]

Fat Man, Your post lately have gone off the unintentional comedy
scale. I say kudos to the Jacksons and Crist for their
comments on the poly/synthetic/sh&t tracks.
Maybe you can locate the rather large insect that has
found its way up your ass and try to start making some sense.

[randallscott35]

I agree with Crist, and look forward to the day they end synthetics.

[parsixfarms]

The synthetics provide Jackson with a convenient excuse to avoid a meeting with Zenyatta, just like Kensei will probably provide him with a convenient excuse to avoid a confrontation with Quality Road in the Travers.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

The synthetics provide Jackson with a convenient excuse to avoid a meeting with Zenyatta, just like Kensei will probably provide him with a convenient excuse to avoid a confrontation with Quality Road in the Travers.

Your kidding right.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I hope he is.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Your kidding right.

After Quality Road's race yesterday, do you think the chances of Rachel Alexandra competing in the Travers went up, went down, or remained the same?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

You are missing the point.she doesn't have to be a great poly star or grass star to be a star. You want a Poly champion great so do I let's announce that in 2010 we will have Poly BC Day then we can see a bunch of grass types do nicely. I am all for Poly day I just am not nor should anyone be ok with Poly being confused with Dirt. You want to think its a better test of a horse great.leave Rachel out she is a dirt horse. See ya at AP poly day 2010

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

After Quality Road's race yesterday, do you think the chances of Rachel Alexandra competing in the Travers went up, went down, or remained the same?

i don't think they'll decide whether she goes based on quality road, but based on kensei. jackson seems seriously interested in trying the woodward with her and going to the travers with his other wknd winner. if they decides against the travers to run in the alabama instead, i'd be disappointed...but the woodward would be something.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

After Quality Road's race yesterday, do you think the chances of Rachel Alexandra competing in the Travers went up, went down, or remained the same?

Huh. The least of Rachel's worries are Quality Road.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Huh. The least of Rachel's worries are Quality Road.

You don't think there's a difference between running against Quality Road and Summer Bird going 10F at Saratoga with Munnings and Summer Bird going 9F at Monmouth.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't think they'll decide whether she goes based on quality road, but based on kensei. jackson seems seriously interested in trying the woodward with her and going to the travers with his other wknd winner. if they decides against the travers to run in the alabama instead, i'd be disappointed...but the woodward would be something.

What do you think would present a more challenging race for Rachel: the Travers against Quality Road, Summer Bird and Mine That Bird, or the Woodward against Macho Again and Dry Martini?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

What do you think would present a more challenging race for Rachel: the Travers against Quality Road, Summer Bird and Mine That Bird, or the Woodward against Macho Again and Dry Martini?

Kensei deserves a shot to win the Travers. Th eman invests a lot of money in this game and he deserves an opportunity to have Kensei win the Travers.. Rachel doesn't need to face her stable mate. Jackson can run her in the Woodward.. More Importantly will Rachel run at 4? She can be bred as late as June 1 especially since since Jess will race her foal.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Kensei deserves a shot to win the Travers. Th eman invests a lot of money in this game and he deserves an opportunity to have Kensei win the Travers.. Rachel doesn't need to face her stable mate. Jackson can run her in the Woodward.. More Importantly will Rachel run at 4? She can be bred as late as June 1 especially since since Jess will race her foal.

If Jackson is intent on having Rachel face "the best" competition, as he professes, she should be in the Travers. She is the star. The Travers is a nationally-televised race on ESPN. The Woodward is not. Kensei's schedule should be secondary to Rachel's, not the other way around.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are missing the point.she doesn't have to be a great poly star or grass star to be a star. You want a Poly champion great so do I let's announce that in 2010 we will have Poly BC Day then we can see a bunch of grass types do nicely. I am all for Poly day I just am not nor should anyone be ok with Poly being confused with Dirt. You want to think its a better test of a horse great.leave Rachel out she is a dirt horse. See ya at AP poly day 2010

But, I'm not really missing the point. The BC is now an INTERNATIONAL event. There's much INTERNATIONAL money in the game these days, probably as much if not more so than AMERICAN money. Safe to say, the FOREIGNERS are putting a lot of money into the pockets of AMERICAN breeders. And, the BC really needs to accommodate these big investors the same way that tracks accommodate their big spenders. The difference, of course, is that what's happening in the BC is very fair, while PAST POSTING (and whale rebating) ISN'T.

But I digress:

So, I think that for a horse to be GREAT in this era, it needs to run against the BEST HORSES on whatever surface the BC happens to be held on for that year.

Imagine, for example, if a DOME football team REFUSES to play in the Super Bowl because it's being held in an open stadium with natural grass. Could this team then claim to be the NFL champ? Could it claim a long history of football on grass? That works.

CURLIN was NOT beaten by the Pro Ride. Rather, he was beaten by the RIDE. He moved too soon. He handled the Pro Ride fine and RA probably will as well.

Tell you this much, let's say Zenyatta runs in the classic and with her last move style gets a perfect setup and wins. How the **** is RA horse of the year then? How is she the best filly/mare in the country even?

How is I Want Revenge the horse that might've been, when the BEYER BUM, Pioneer.... kicked his ass repeatedly on the Poly?

This **** only happens in horse racing.

[freddymo]

Rachel is a filly.. She is suppose to go against fillies in the Alabama.. Kensei is a colt that Jess would like to establish as a major Stallion prospect. Is the guy not entitled to fix the deck alittle. Rachel against multiple Grade 1 winning older males isn't enough? Or are you a let's see if the filly is a real man and go to the Arc guy? lol