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Old 07-12-2006, 07:57 AM
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Default atrab subject..the scr of horses at bel

the guys were talking about the nice early stake thats been dropped in a few days..only to have 90prc of the field scr..the racing sec must be pulling his hair out...comments from the experts ranged from personal vendetta to whatever reason...my take is that they didnt have their **** together and had to scr...and if i was the racing sec..id pullem all in and tell em im no more for you..you dont back me ..you lose..
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:26 AM
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That's one thing I can't stand about NY racing... all of the scratches, every time Dutrow enters a horse, I'd say it's about 60% to actually start, he's playing by the rules and I am sure he could care less, but if you are capping before hand any time he has a starter, you might as well wait to see if it starts...
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:42 AM
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Well I looked at that race and saw the field and it was a very deep and hard field for 65 grand. Not graded and only 65 grand in purse money. If you a trainer and you look at that field you say the hell with this and scratch out. What you don't know is that everyone else has done the same. It was a fluke.
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Old 07-12-2006, 08:50 AM
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yes mike thats the way it looked to me but do the crews ever talk.. and say hey im out ..yeah me too...oops me too..oh well ..
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:37 AM
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The problem, at least to me, is the usual disconnect between racetracks/horsemen and horseplayers. Allowing any race to scratch down to less than half its entered size, something that happens way too often, is a complete slap in the face to horseplayers and only does more to alienate them. It is the responsibility of racetracks and trainers to work together so that this doesn't happen. Believe it or not, sometimes our best interests need to be considered by trainers. We do pay a lot of the bills.
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:46 AM
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Well I looked at that race and saw the field and it was a very deep and hard field for 65 grand. Not graded and only 65 grand in purse money. If you a trainer and you look at that field you say the hell with this and scratch out. What you don't know is that everyone else has done the same. It was a fluke.
That's what happens when fake stakes races are scheduled.

Owners of good horses enter them in order to get the black type. When the field turns up strong ... and the black type becomes less likely ... they scratch.

If that race were carded as an allowance ... which a $65,000 purse really is ... there wouldn't be that problem ... since there's no black type attached to winning it. You'd get genuine allowance horses entered.

Just a case of NYRA trying to fake people into believing that they're actually carding stakes races ... when they really aren't.
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:51 AM
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That's what happens when fake stakes races are scheduled.

Owners of good horses enter them in order to get the black type. When the field turns up strong ... and the black type becomes less likely ... they scratch.

If that race were carded as an allowance ... which a $65,000 purse really is ... there wouldn't be that problem ... since there's no black type attached to winning it. You'd get genuine allowance horses entered.

Just a case of NYRA trying to fake people into believing that they're actually carding stakes races ... when they really aren't.
LMAO at this. From Mr ED to readig the minds of stakes quality trainers. Got to say, no topic is excluded from you making an a ss of yourself.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:28 AM
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The only time I have a problem with a scratch is when the trainer believe his horse has no chance in winning or the race came up too tough. To me this is crap. Scratch a horse to protect the horse, don't scratch a horse for your own ego. What I think should happen is this and I have been in favor of this for many years.

I think each trainer has to put up $1000 to run a horse in a race. If that horse runs in the race then the trainer gets the $1000 back regardless of where that horse finished. The trainer has up to 1 hour before posts are to be drawn to scratch the horse. If the trainer scratches the horse in time then the trainer gets the $1000 back. Now if a vet or someone other than the trainer scratches horse after the posts have been drawn then the trainer gets the $1000 back. If the trainer scracthes the horse after posts have been drawn, then the trainer loses that $1000. That $1000 then goes into a jockeys fund
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Old 07-12-2006, 12:40 PM
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again 2 scr in a six horse race..what a shame...
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