Jazil=No Chance

[Pointg5]

According to the DRF, he's going to be closer to the pace, I agree with Mcglaughlin that he will be closer, because the pace will likely be softer, but sounds like they are going to put him even closer to the pace. I can't believe they are going to take the horse out of his game, that's usually disastrous. I think he will take some money, so that's a good thing...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

According to the DRF, he's going to be closer to the pace, I agree with Mcglaughlin that he will be closer, because the pace will likely be softer, but sounds like they are going to put him even closer to the pace. I can't believe they are going to take the horse out of his game, that's usually disastrous. I think he will take some money, so that's a good thing...

Mwind....please dont sign all your posts as "aka Mwind"....life was so much more enjoyable when I thought you were this hot ass blonde chick....

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by GPK

Mwind....please dont sign all your posts as "aka Mwind"....life was so much more enjoyable when I thought you were this hot ass blonde chick....

lol! Funny GPK...

[Togacapper]

In my opinion if I am wrong then oh well. Steppen has a better shot @ being closer to the pace on saturday for a closer, judging by his work. It's a matter on whether Pietz gives the instructions that way or if Robby A. thinks he is going to be be Pat Day...The usual take back. Just my opinion

[Thunder Gulch]

The only reason Jazil will be closer to the pace is because they'll try to slow it on the front end to 50 and change for the half...Jz has no early speed whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

The only reason Jazil will be closer to the pace is because they'll try to slow it on the front end to 50 and change for the half...Jz has no early speed whatsoever.

he may not have any early speed, but you need to watch the wood again,
see the horsie run,
see the horsie run fast at belmont,
see the horsie run fast at belmont and almost catch the winner in the 9th furlong.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

he may not have any early speed, but you need to watch the wood again,
see the horsie run,
see the horsie run fast at belmont,
see the horsie run fast at belmont and almost catch the winner in the 9th furlong.

The Wood wasn't run at Belmont. It was at Aqueduct.

[Pointg5]

I know I said he'd be closer because of the pace, but Mcglaughlin is saying they are going to be closer, because they are put him closer. I think that's a mistake to take a horse out of it's game.

Also, just because a horse is a stone closer, doesn't make him more effective at a longer distance, it tends to dull their kick if anything(Sun King has become a better closer at shorter distances as an example). I think we may have seen this comparing the Wood race to the Derby and I think he'll be less effective in the Belmont.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I know I said he'd be closer because of the pace, but Mcglaughlin is saying they are going to be closer, because they are put him closer. I think that's a mistake to take a horse out of it's game.

Also, just because a horse is a stone closer, doesn't make him more effective at a longer distance, it tends to dull their kick if anything(Sun King has become a better closer at shorter distances as an example). I think we may have seen this comparing the Wood race to the Derby and I think he'll be less effective in the Belmont.

If they're going to try and change his running style, I agree that it doesn't make much sense. I'm not going to play him either way. I made up my mind to stick with Steppenwolfer as I did in the derby.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

If it rains and the track comes up sloppy, watch out because Jazil will really be flying at the end. Steppenwolfer is the more consistent closer of the two, but Jazil may be more talented, and just hasn't reached his potential yet. We shall see. I think that both of these horses will finish ahead of Bob and John.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Togacapper

In my opinion if I am wrong then oh well. Steppen has a better shot @ being closer to the pace on saturday for a closer, judging by his work. It's a matter on whether Pietz gives the instructions that way or if Robby A. thinks he is going to be be Pat Day...The usual take back. Just my opinion

That works SCREAMS to me that they want him sitting 5th or 6th

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The Wood wasn't run at Belmont. It was at Aqueduct.

for some reason in the last week i keep confusing the two.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

for some reason in the last week i keep confusing the two.

Hey Secretariat. I PMed you. Ignore the last message I sent you though. Am I right on one of those?

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Hey Secretariat. I PMed you. Ignore the last message I sent you though. Am I right on one of those?

are you right on one of what ??

i do not follow, you hace confused me

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

are you right on one of what ??

i do not follow, you hace confused me

Nevermind.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well,again I don't understand why somebody would start a thread to say a horse can't do something.All I can tell you is this little horse will not be going up and down.He will not be going sideways.He will be doing the same thing he has been doing(coming forward,coming forward,coming forward.)So,whoever is a quitter is gunna get found out.He may not be able to tag them all,but he will get by as many as he possibly can.So,I can tell you right now that if you hang ,he is gunna get your spot.He isn't gunna quit.Isn't gunna hang.He is just gunna keep coming for the best spot he can get.This is no quitter,and he sure does have some chance to win it.He is not like you think he is.He doesn't need a quick pace.Most raters will not keep persevering when their kick isn't particularly working that well.Case in point is the Wood.He is well beaten in there,and most raters would not have kept trying like he did.He is gunna get the best finish he can.Don't count on him quitting,cuz it ain't gunna happen.

[Danzig]

i don't like jazil to win, but i would use him in any supers....
i think to say no chance is incorrect. all of them have a chance, just some have a better chance than others.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,again I don't understand why somebody would start a thread to say a horse can't do something.All I can tell you is this little horse will not be going up and down.He will not be going sideways.He will be doing the same thing he has been doing(coming forward,coming forward,coming forward.)So,whoever is a quitter is gunna get found out.He may not be able to tag them all,but he will get by as many as he possibly can.So,I can tell you right now that if you hang ,he is gunna get your spot.He isn't gunna quit.Isn't gunna hang.He is just gunna keep coming for the best spot he can get.This is no quitter,and he sure does have some chance to win it.He is not like you think he is.He doesn't need a quick pace.Most raters will not keep persevering when their kick isn't particularly working that well.Case in point is the Wood.He is well beaten in there,and most raters would not have kept trying like he did.He is gunna get the best finish he can.Don't count on him quitting,cuz it ain't gunna happen.

My point is why take him out of his game, this is not to bash on the horse, but why not let him run the way he has been. He's run 2nd and 4th in 2 Grade 1's running this way, why make him do something that might compromise his finish. The race looks to very soft on the pace, but it's a strange race and who knows, maybe it gets hot up front and he would have a chance. I don't like the pick against a horse posts either, but this post is about taking a horse out of it's game.

My pick is High Finance, he's won over the track ran into 2 monsters and he might be the likely speed, if he's left alone long enough, I believe he gets it done. I'll also use Blue Grass Cat and Deputy Glitters in P3's and P4's.

[Danzig]

your points are well taken mwindu. again, if it ain't broke don't fix it. however, as horses mature, sometimes you can get them to change their style a bit. if he picks up a piece either way, than they didn't err.
we'll see on saturday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,again I don't understand why somebody would start a thread to say a horse can't do something.All I can tell you is this little horse will not be going up and down.He will not be going sideways.He will be doing the same thing he has been doing(coming forward,coming forward,coming forward.)So,whoever is a quitter is gunna get found out.He may not be able to tag them all,but he will get by as many as he possibly can.So,I can tell you right now that if you hang ,he is gunna get your spot.He isn't gunna quit.Isn't gunna hang.He is just gunna keep coming for the best spot he can get.This is no quitter,and he sure does have some chance to win it.He is not like you think he is.He doesn't need a quick pace.Most raters will not keep persevering when their kick isn't particularly working that well.Case in point is the Wood.He is well beaten in there,and most raters would not have kept trying like he did.He is gunna get the best finish he can.Don't count on him quitting,cuz it ain't gunna happen.

im thinking with scuds ....and kieran could be pulling the publics leg..i see him off the pace and picking them up after the mind blowing fractions on the front end..when you take 10 horses sombody will take the lead and then the second..next thing you know there going 46 /109...oops here comes jazil