Crist: The BC deserves NOT to have RA

[tector]

http://cristblog.drf.com/crist/2009/...ay-1-8409.html

Money quote:

It's cracker-barrel fun to speculate about the rest of her season, but some of the suggestions are getting silly. Turf Classic? Arc de Triomphe? Breeders' Cup Classic? If they want to try her on grass once next year, swell, but there is no reason for her to switch surfaces now or ever to run on a synthetic racetrack, and her handlers have made it clear they aren't going down that road.

If her absence from this year's Breeders' Cup has any influence in ensuring that the Cup will never again be run on a synthetic track two years in a row -- and in reminding this industry's "leaders" that greatness in the American racehorse has for centuries been determined by performances on dirt tracks, and will continue to be long after the last synthetic track has been dug up and restored to dirt -- all the better.

[freddymo]

I have been trying to drum this thru Chuck's head for two days now. Maybe now he will figure out the real deal. You think one of the sports biggest advocates, doesn't recognize that more people will buy his products BC Day with Rachel in? You think this man wants to watch Rachel in the barn or on the track? Obviously you folks who think that she needs(not sure why any dirt star would NEED) to run on Pro ride simply dont get that sometimes tough love works..

[the_fat_man]

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

[tector]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

So, is that a beer belly or what?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by tector

So, is that a beer belly or what?

I'd look to your hero Crist for the belly.

[fpsoxfan]

Fat Man, Your post lately have gone off the unintentional comedy
scale. I say kudos to the Jacksons and Crist for their
comments on the poly/synthetic/sh&t tracks.
Maybe you can locate the rather large insect that has
found its way up your ass and try to start making some sense.

[randallscott35]

I agree with Crist, and look forward to the day they end synthetics.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

In other words, the BEYERITE is saying that her connections don't want to risk what happened to Curlin last year: a good old fashioned ass kicking in a race that might setup against her. No horse beats the flow when running against it. Maybe all the POLY haters should really focus more on getting these horses better trips rather than trying to turn back time. What's next, arguing that (world class) track events should be held on dirt? It might run something like this "man for centuries has been running on dirt, look at the 1st marathon as detailed by Homer, why run it, and other tracks events, on concrete and artificial surfaces?"


The BEYERITE nightmare: one of their FAST darlings looking SLOW on the POLY.


Of course, this is not to say that this filly isn't the real deal and that her connections are doing her a HUGE INJUSTICE by not running her against the best on WHATEVER surface. She's a ****in' horse, if she were out there being pursued by a predator, I'm sure she'd be able to navigate ANY surface.

You are missing the point.she doesn't have to be a great poly star or grass star to be a star. You want a Poly champion great so do I let's announce that in 2010 we will have Poly BC Day then we can see a bunch of grass types do nicely. I am all for Poly day I just am not nor should anyone be ok with Poly being confused with Dirt. You want to think its a better test of a horse great.leave Rachel out she is a dirt horse. See ya at AP poly day 2010

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You are missing the point.she doesn't have to be a great poly star or grass star to be a star. You want a Poly champion great so do I let's announce that in 2010 we will have Poly BC Day then we can see a bunch of grass types do nicely. I am all for Poly day I just am not nor should anyone be ok with Poly being confused with Dirt. You want to think its a better test of a horse great.leave Rachel out she is a dirt horse. See ya at AP poly day 2010

But, I'm not really missing the point. The BC is now an INTERNATIONAL event. There's much INTERNATIONAL money in the game these days, probably as much if not more so than AMERICAN money. Safe to say, the FOREIGNERS are putting a lot of money into the pockets of AMERICAN breeders. And, the BC really needs to accommodate these big investors the same way that tracks accommodate their big spenders. The difference, of course, is that what's happening in the BC is very fair, while PAST POSTING (and whale rebating) ISN'T.

But I digress:

So, I think that for a horse to be GREAT in this era, it needs to run against the BEST HORSES on whatever surface the BC happens to be held on for that year.

Imagine, for example, if a DOME football team REFUSES to play in the Super Bowl because it's being held in an open stadium with natural grass. Could this team then claim to be the NFL champ? Could it claim a long history of football on grass? That works.

CURLIN was NOT beaten by the Pro Ride. Rather, he was beaten by the RIDE. He moved too soon. He handled the Pro Ride fine and RA probably will as well.

Tell you this much, let's say Zenyatta runs in the classic and with her last move style gets a perfect setup and wins. How the **** is RA horse of the year then? How is she the best filly/mare in the country even?

How is I Want Revenge the horse that might've been, when the BEYER BUM, Pioneer.... kicked his ass repeatedly on the Poly?

This **** only happens in horse racing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

But, I'm not really missing the point. The BC is now an INTERNATIONAL event. There's much INTERNATIONAL money in the game these days, probably as much if not more so than AMERICAN money. Safe to say, the FOREIGNERS are putting a lot of money into the pockets of AMERICAN breeders. And, the BC really needs to accommodate these big investors the same way that tracks accommodate their big spenders. The difference, of course, is that what's happening in the BC is very fair, while PAST POSTING (and whale rebating) ISN'T.

But I digress:

So, I think that for a horse to be GREAT in this era, it needs to run against the BEST HORSES on whatever surface the BC happens to be held on for that year.

Imagine, for example, if a DOME football team REFUSES to play in the Super Bowl because it's being held in an open stadium with natural grass. Could this team then claim to be the NFL champ? Could it claim a long history of football on grass? That works.

CURLIN was NOT beaten by the Pro Ride. Rather, he was beaten by the RIDE. He moved too soon. He handled the Pro Ride fine and RA probably will as well.

Tell you this much, let's say Zenyatta runs in the classic and with her last move style gets a perfect setup and wins. How the **** is RA horse of the year then? How is she the best filly/mare in the country even?

How is I Want Revenge the horse that might've been, when the BEYER BUM, Pioneer.... kicked his ass repeatedly on the Poly?

This **** only happens in horse racing.

since you like the poly tracks, i can see why you think it shouldn't be a problem for her to go. but i doubt you'd be so angry about them skipping the event if they decided to hold the whole thing on turf. i just don't understand why anyone thinks all main tracks are created equal regardless of surface composition.

jess let himself be talked into running curlin, and he lost. he doesn't strike me as a stupid man. if he somehow changed his mind, and she suffered her only loss of the year on a main track in cali, i can't imagine how that would make him feel.

as for how zenyatta would be hoy-the california queen won't run in the classic so it's a moot point.