Empire challenges rumored NY franchise plan

[sumitas]

kinda closer, it seems.
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=39377

Empire's concerns.
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...an-flawed.aspx

[blackthroatedwind]

Why would anybody bother reading about a group that only tells fabrications?

[sumitas]

I have no clue other than what I read here. Would be so kind as to set the record straight ?

[Left Bank]

I see nothing but fighting with that plan.Government should just get out of it and give it to the highest bidder.

[ELA]

Maybe it's me, but I see a very distinct difference in what Empire, and the other groups, are saying, claiming, etc. I have no ties to any party, so I am not biased in my allegiances; in reality, I don't have any. I am a fan, a bettor and an owner, but I am 100%, all for the betterment and benefit of evey aspect and everyone involved in NY racing.

Like either one of them or not, with NYRA and Excelsior, I see a great deal of their mindset, platform, methodoligies, etc. in their public remarks, press releases, statements, etc. Yes, they have different models, beliefs, and ideas. However, with Empire, there always seems to be this tone (perhaps undertone) of adversarial and confrontational behavior. They always seem to making claims, accusations, and "loud" statements about everyone else, what's wrong, the negativity, etc. It's very much finger-pointing type of marketing and PR. I very much and very clearly see this not being part of the solution -- but as part of the problem.

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

Empire wants to raise take-out.

Next!

[fpsoxfan]

I just don't see where any of this would help/benefit NYRA. Yhey have had their problems, but they've IMO done a super job with the Saratoga meet for many years. This includes everything from renovations to racing. This jusy seems to get more confusing/frustrating by the minute.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Empire wants to raise take-out.

Next!

This would not be good!

Congrats on "5000" postings Andy

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm sure that is a milestone he's very proud of.

I'm thinking of giving up on typing out words---and all those deep thoughts of mine---and just using EMortyCons for each of my next 3,600 posts so I can rapidly catch up to him.

O=:<

[golfer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm sure that is a milestone he's very proud of.

I'm thinking of giving up on typing out words---and all those deep thoughts of mine---and just using EMortyCons for each of my next 3,600 posts so I can rapidly catch up to him.

O=:<

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm sure that is a milestone he's very proud of.

I'm thinking of giving up on typing out words---and all those deep thoughts of mine---and just using EMortyCons for each of my next 3,600 posts so I can rapidly catch up to him.

O=:<

Did Morty make it through the day? or did he get his wish.

[Antitrust32]

the part about the empire article that i didnt like the most when they talked about using VLT money to get synthetic surfaces.












barf

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Empire wants to raise take-out.

Next!

You know, as I was typing I completely forgot about that.

One doesn't have to wonder as to why they want to raise the take-out.

Eric

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Empire wants to raise take-out.

Next!

Where is the article that states that Empire wants to raise take-out? I would be interested in reading that article. Not disagreeing with you, just want to read it is all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Where is the article that states that Empire wants to raise take-out? I would be interested in reading that article. Not disagreeing with you, just want to read it is all.

It is clearly stated in their franchise proposal.

[whodey17]

[quote=blackthroatedwind]It is clearly stated in their franchise proposal.[/QUOTE Is their franchise proposal public? If so, can I look it up on the internet?

[whodey17]

I have lost touch with this issue over the past couple of months, but it seems interesting to me that Spitzer wants NYRA to give up their claim to the land in exchange for the renewed contrat to run the horse racing side. Here is what I find interesting

"In its current bankruptcy court proceedings, NYRA claims ownership of the three tracks. Industry insiders say the Spitzer administration is concerned about losing the legal fight over the land claims and would rather work out a deal in which NYRA would keep the racing side of the franchise in exchange for giving up the track claims. The Spitzer administration is also demanding that the current NYRA board resign in return for another franchise and a new management structure be put in place."

Now why would NYRA give up their claim to the land. When I sold my business, I made sure to keep control of the land. I just charge the new company "rent." The NYRA could make a great deal of money on renting the land to the horse racing operator and or the VLT operator. Doesn't make sense to me why the NYRA would give up their claim.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Empire wants to raise take-out.

Next!

AND have 25 dollar chicken sandwiches!!

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Why would anybody bother reading about a group that only tells fabrications?

Amen. It's amazing that the press gave them much coverage of yesterday's press conference.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ELA

However, with Empire, there always seems to be this tone (perhaps undertone) of adversarial and confrontational behavior. They always seem to making claims, accusations, and "loud" statements about everyone else, what's wrong, the negativity, etc. It's very much finger-pointing type of marketing and PR. I very much and very clearly see this not being part of the solution -- but as part of the problem.

Eric, I agree completely, but that's what you get with a political hack like Jeff Perlee in charge. Besides the backroom deals that led to the NYTHA endorsement, Empire's "negative" campaigning on the franchise issue is no different than the what these guys do it on the political front. And they wonder why people are turned off to their schtick?