Pedigree

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

What do you think of this guy?

I love his foals, and saw that he had 2 weanling colts selling for a combined average of $60,000. The combined average of weaning fillies and colts (4 total) was $40,000. He looks to me like a good one to breed to if you want to make a profit off of the foal at the sales for these first few years.

http://www.tetonforest.com/

[paisjpq]

his foals may look OK...though 4 is not a great sample...and one filly only brought 6,500....but they are going to have to RUN for him to make a name for himself...
his covering sire numbers are dismal at this sale...and not that great overall...many mares being let go for less than the stud fee...that says a lot about the quality of mare he is getting and unfortunately probably says a lot about the quality of runners he will sire...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

his foals may look OK...though 4 is not a great sample...and one filly only brought 6,500....but they are going to have to RUN for him to make a name for himself...
his covering sire numbers are dismal at this sale...and not that great overall...many mares being let go for less than the stud fee...that says a lot about the quality of mare he is getting and unfortunately probably says a lot about the quality of runners he will sire...

Yeah, they are giving quite a deal on his stud fee. I really like the horse though, and while four is a very small sample, the fact the colt's average was 60,000 surprised me. They must be really good looking animals, but from the pictures of his foals on the website, his babies do look terrific.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yeah, they are giving quite a deal on his stud fee.

no...he is priced about where he should be...and one can tell from his sale numbers that even at that price he can't draw quality mares...

2006 - Weanling Sales

SALE YEAR HIP SEX NAME DAM PRICE BUYER CLICK
BREEDER DAM'S SIRE CONSIGNER FOR
KEENOV 2006 2345 F Hot Match 35,000 B: DAPPLE BLOODSTOCK Catalog
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BR: B. WAYNE HUGHES
Mr. Prospector C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT CXLVI
KEENOV 2006 3114 C Exclusive Symbol 43,000 B: LYSTER, GRAY:AGENT Catalog
Page
BR: SANDRA DOZIER HILL & CHARLES HILL
Alysheba C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT CXXX
KEENOV 2006 3863 C Dylan's Girl 75,000 B: HUGHES, B WAYNE Catalog
Page
BR: SUSAN FORRESTER & TANYA LOBSIGER
Well Decorated C: FORRESTER, SUSAN M:AGENT I
KEENOV 2006 4833 F Burnham 6,500 B: KARRINGTON STABLES Catalog
Page
BR: KATY COWAN
Lord At War (Arg) C: ASPENDELL:AGENT




2006 Weanling Sales Abbreviations used in this report:
KEENOV - Keeneland November Breeding Stock Sale


2006 - Covering Sire Sales

SALE YEAR HIP FOALED NAME SIRE PRICE BUYER CLICK
BREEDER DAM'S SIRE CONSIGNER FOR
KEEJAN 2007 872 1993 Red Will Do Red Attack 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: JOAN H. REISING (I)
No Robbery C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT FOR DR CHARLES S GILES
KEEJAN 2007 1524 1997 La Turk Turkoman 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: CAROLINE STEARNS (P)
El Baba C: LANTERN HILL FARM LLC:AGENT
KEEJAN 2007 1662 2001 Swiss Cheese Maria's Mon 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: DR. CHARLES S. GILES (K)
Lost Code C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT FOR DR CHARLES S GILES
KEEJAN 2007 1739 2000 Bella Siena Wild Again 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: HOLTSINGER, INC. (K)
General Assembly C: IDLE HOUR FARM:AGENT
KEEJAN 2007 2048 2002 The Classicshopper Regal Classic 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: MICHELE GRAVES & TODD GRAVES (N)
Personal Flag C: PARAMOUNT SALES:AGENT VII
KEEJAN 2007 2232 2002 Highest Ground Lemon Drop Kid 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: WINSTAR FARM, LLC (K)
Slew o' Gold C: ELM TREE FARM LLC;HUCKABAY, JODY;MR/MRS:AGENT XV
KEEJAN 2007 2255 2000 Kukicha Sultry Song 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: NOR JOANNE (K)
Rahy C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT LIV
KEEJAN 2007 2261 2001 La Fever Stormin Fever 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: BRERETON C. JONES (K)
Apalachee C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT LIV
KEEJAN 2007 2424 1993 Vicky Cahill Cahill Road 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: BRIAN HARTIGAN & KEVIN HARTIGAN (F)
Affirmed C: THREE CHIMNEYS SALES:AGENT
KEEJAN 2007 2667 2002 Nowaki Miswaki 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: SPRINGWOOD LLC & WALMAC (K)
Sky Classic C: NARDELLI SALES:AGENT I
KEEJAN 2007 2722 2001 Share a Moment Pine Bluff 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: GAYNO STABLES (K)
Alydar C: PARAMOUNT SALES:AGENT VII
KEEJAN 2007 2881 1994 Fancy Fan Lear Fan 0 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: HOT OPTION SYNDICATE (K)
Explodent C: NARDELLI SALES:AGENT I
FTKNOV 2006 231 1997 Unacloud Unaccounted For 400,000 B: DIAMOND A FARM Catalog
Page
BR: SHELLEY SUTHERLAND & BEATRICE INGHAM (K)
Two Punch C: BLUEWATER SALES LLC:AGENT II
KEENOV 2006 2221 2000 Bar Bailey Bates Motel 55,000 B: BENAVIDES, OSCAR;DR:AGENT Catalog
Page
BR: WILLARD BURBACH (C)
Barrera C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT CXLVI
KEENOV 2006 2920 2002 Slam of Royalty Grand Slam 42,000 B: COLOMBO, RICARDO:AGENT Catalog
Page
BR: LLOYD DEBRUYCKER & WADE JACOBSEN (I)
Kennedy Road C: FOUR STAR SALES:AGENT
KEENOV 2006 2963 2000 Touch Upon Touch Gold 22,000 B: HIDDEN BROOK:AGENT Catalog
Page
BR: GREEN WILLIOW FARMS (M)
Apalachee C: FOUR STAR SALES:AGENT
KEENOV 2006 3210 2001 Mismonique French Deputy 62,000 B: YOKUM, DENNIS:AGENT FOR MERCEDES STABLE LLC Catalog
Page
BR: SONDRA BENDER & HOWARD M. BENDER (M)
Miswaki C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT CXLVI
KEENOV 2006 4387 1988 Northeros' Lady Northjet (Ire) 1,700 B: CHATHAM, W L Catalog
Page
BR: B. C. JONES (K)
Hail the Pirates C: HIGHCLERE SALES:AGENT XIII
KEENOV 2006 4483 1998 Tappin On Ice Wild Zone 5,000 B: ASOCIACION CRIADORES Catalog
Page
BR: DON AMOS & SUZANNE T. SIMARD (K)
Marfa C: HIDDEN BROOK:AGENT IX
KEENOV 2006 4772 1996 Valid Wind Valid Appeal 7,200 B: URRUTIA, JORGE R Catalog
Page
BR: HARRY T. MANGURIAN, JR. (F)
Pirate's Bounty C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT IL
KEENOV 2006 4802 1993 Yesterday's Tune Premiership 7,500 B: UNCLE DADDY BLOODSTOCK Catalog
Page
BR: J & P STABLE (F)
Tunerup C: GAINESWAY:AGENT I

2006 963 2001 Glister Girl Glitterman 77,000 B: MULHOLLAND, JOHN & MARTHA JANE Catalog
Page
BR: JOHN MULHOLLAND & MARTHA JANE MULHOLLAND (KY)
Saratoga Six C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT LXIII
KEEJAN 2006 1660 2002 Eighteen Shots Pioneering 20,000 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: DR. & MRS. THOMAS BOWMAN & MILTON P. HIGGINS III (MD)
Broad Brush C: BRAD MURRAY THOROUGHBREDS:AGENT
KEEJAN 2006 1909 2001 Tomoka Joy Mecke 3,200 B: BRYANT, MARLENE M & ROBERT M Catalog
Page
BR: MOREAU BLOODSTOCK INTERNATIONAL (FL)
Our Native C: EATON SALES:AGENT
KEEJAN 2006 2304 1987 Bright City Damascus 4,700 B: RNA Catalog
Page
BR: OLIN B. GENTRY (KY)
Bold Ruler C: TAYLOR MADE SALES AGENCY:AGENT LXXXIV
KEEJAN 2006 2425 1995 Manalapan Cahill Road 6,000 B: KUSEL, NORMAN S Catalog
Page
BR: JUSTICE FARM, INC. (KY)
Stage Door Johnny C: LEGACY BLOODSTOCK
KEENOV 2005 2328 2001 Saramar Langfuhr 7,500 B: RED BARN STABLE Catalog
Page
BR: SPENDTHRIFT FARM LLC (KY)
Conquistador Cielo C: SPENDTHRIFT FARM LLC;BRUCE KLINE:AGENT
KEENOV 2005 3390 1996 Kingdom's Princess Meadowlake 2,500 B: TEAM J & K Catalog
Page
BR: CRAIG BANDOROFF, JOHN CLAY & S. D. BRILIE L.P. (KY)
Key to the Kingdom C: SPENDTHRIFT FARM LLC;BRUCE KLINE:AGENT
KEENOV 2005 3437 2001 Mesa Ridge Deputy Commander 17,000 B: VENT VIEW CORPORATION Catalog
Page
BR: R. TOWSEND SPARKS (KY)
Conquistador Cielo C: HINKLE FARMS:AGENT
KEENOV 2005 4033 1996 Burnham Lord At War (Arg) 5,200 B: ASPENDELL:AGENT Catalog
Page
BR: DR. & MRS. EMLER A. NEUMAN (KY)
Dahar C: ROYAL PARK FARM:AGENT
KEENOV 2005 4126 2000 Jade Hooter Jade Hunter 9,000 B: ROIG, J ADALBERTO JR Catalog
Page
BR: ROBERT E LOW & LAWANA LOW (KY)
Known Fact C: WARRENDALE SALES:AGENT LXI
KEENOV 2005 4457 1994 Golden Chip Crafty Prospector 5,200 B: TRINITY FARMS Catalog
Page
BR: DR. NANCY COLE & CHRISTOPHER KLINE (KY)
Cornish Prince C: SPENDTHRIFT FARM LLC;BRUCE KLINE:AGENT XI
OBSOCT 2005 1243 1996 Tightrope Walker Wallenda 1,000 B: BARTON, DICK Catalog
Page
BR: PAUL J. BECKER, JR. & LESLIE BECKER (KY)
Key to the Mint C: PERRONE SALES LTD:AGENT






that's WAY too many NO BIDS to justify a higher stud fee....the market is not looking for him

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

no...he is priced about where he should be...and one can tell from his sale numbers that even at that price he can't draw quality mares...

No, I didn't mean it like that. I meant that his stud fee is 5K and people are getting him for a lot less than that with a decent mare.

I would shy away from him. Like Bethani said, its starting to be a bubble year for him, the quality of mares he's getting is less than exciting, and the fact there's "deals" to be had, isnt necessarily a good thing, although not that unusual once the foals hit the ground.

Also, if you look at his pedigree, the sires in it tend to have been under-achievers at stud. Doesnt instill a ton of confidence. Although for the record, I like Al Nasr.

The Tapit's are selling really well and im glad to say my dad sold a nice one. People were saying he was slow on the track, but he looks the part, the foals look the part, and most are seeing a nice return on investment. Not to mention he comes from a good stallion producing family.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No, I didn't mean it like that. His stud fee is 5K and people are getting him for a lot less than that with a decent mare.

2 or 3 years ago Arch was being advertised at 5k but Bernie Sams was giving away seasons at 2.5k. What a difference a few years make. Not that Tenton Forest is comparable to Arch by any stretch of the imagination... at least not yet.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Balletto

2 or 3 years ago Arch was being advertised at 5k but Bernie Sams was giving away seasons at 2.5k. What a difference a few years make. Not that Tenton Forest is comparable to Arch by any stretch of the imagination... at least not yet.

Yeah, you're right about the stud deals not being necessarily a good thing, but you never know exactly which cross is going to work. I will say that Arch is a lot better looking sire and a lot more correct in the conformation department than a horse like Teton Forest. If I was going to breed to TF, I would want a mare that was going to improve his hip (croup and hindquarter), and his column of bone a bit.

[Cajungator26]

My fave sire right now (based upon how his foals look) is Readthefootnotes.

The weanlings I saw at the OBS in October looked fantastic. It's kind of ironic that his broodmare sire is Al Nasr. Before you guys bombard me, I don't know if his stud fee is a deal or not, but I'm basing my judgement solely on how his babies looked.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

My fave sire right now (based upon how his foals look) is Readthefootnotes.

The weanlings I saw at the OBS in October looked fantastic. It's kind of ironic that his broodmare sire is Al Nasr. Before you guys bombard me, I don't know if his stud fee is a deal or not, but I'm basing my judgement solely on how his babies looked.

Are you going to the upcoming sale?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

My fave sire right now (based upon how his foals look) is Readthefootnotes.

The weanlings I saw at the OBS in October looked fantastic. It's kind of ironic that his broodmare sire is Al Nasr. Before you guys bombard me, I don't know if his stud fee is a deal or not, but I'm basing my judgement solely on how his babies looked.

I like Ten Most Wanted better out of that barn, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

My fave sire right now (based upon how his foals look) is Readthefootnotes.

The weanlings I saw at the OBS in October looked fantastic. It's kind of ironic that his broodmare sire is Al Nasr. Before you guys bombard me, I don't know if his stud fee is a deal or not, but I'm basing my judgement solely on how his babies looked.

We've talked about Read the Footnotes before, and you know how much I like him. I think he will be a real "sleeper" freshman stallion. That whole Native Street clan is very useful. What a nice racemare and broodmare she was. A large part of Stravinsky's champion freshman crop success has to be attributed to the class of this line.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I like Ten Most Wanted better out of that barn, but that's just me.

You know, he's interesting. He never had enough speed to make me go "I think he'll be a terrific stallion", but his pedigree is loaded with a lot of "hidden" class.

Both TMW and More Than Ready hail from probably the least heralded branch of La Troienne, that of Good Landing. More Than Ready has been a very good success at stud, and I would love to see some of his older daughters find the court of TMW. They would add much needed speed and bring in the best blood of the dam of TMW.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Are you going to the upcoming sale?

Not sure... I'll be in Daytona, probably.

[GenuineRisk]

More stallions to discuss-- I enjoy reading this site, though, with my piddling knowledge of pedigree, I don't know if he's right on with his thoughts or not:

http://thoroughbredreview.com/StallionWatch.htm

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Balletto

You know, he's interesting. He never had enough speed to make me go "I think he'll be a terrific stallion", but his pedigree is loaded with a lot of "hidden" class.

Both TMW and More Than Ready hail from probably the least heralded branch of La Troienne, that of Good Landing. More Than Ready has been a very good success at stud, and I would love to see some of his older daughters find the court of TMW. They would add much needed speed and bring in the best blood of the dam of TMW.

Big fan of MTR.

American Thoroughbred Review... I visit this site pretty often. Here's the thing with this guy-- I respect him for laying his balls on the table and saying what a lot of people think, but on the same hand, I really dont agree with many of his asessments or "breeding" and "Selection" beliefs. But he does raise some good points from time to time.

Honour and Glory-- I happen to like Honour and Glory and I think he's a pretty safe bet for small breeders. His runners earn their keep and his foals still sell pretty well. Also, many of his daughters are attracting attention from broodmare buyers.

Holy Bull-- Consistent stallion. Rarely gets a big horse, but you really cant complain for the fee. I'd stay away from his daughters as broodmares though. Something about them I just dont like.

King Cugat-- His numbers are a lot better than that site would have you believe. Struggling? Yes. But not horribly.

The one thing I really dont like, is that he goes for some shock value at times and will splay a young stallion because the numbers are skewed in his (the site's) favor for his tirade on not buying or breeding to unproven stallions. Many of the young stallions listed are or will be failures, but many deserve a chance unlike he gives them.

I dont know how you can put a horse on a "worst of" list when they only have a crop or two to race. Ridiculous in my book.

[AeWingnut]

I do like Exchange Rate. I don't think they will win any of the classics but anything under 9f should be good.

Benchmark was a better deal until Bro Derek popped

Have Grand Slam, Gone West & Fu Peg fallen out of favor?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I do like Exchange Rate. I don't think they will win any of the classics but anything under 9f should be good.

Benchmark was a better deal until Bro Derek popped

Have Grand Slam, Gone West & Fu Peg fallen out of favor?

I don't think he's gotten to the expensive sires yet. He did make a guess about which freshmen sires would do best- fun reading.

Loved reading your thoughts on his thoughts, Balletto!

[sumitas]

Teton Forest is 3/4 to Tomorrow's Cat.