Lets put a group together and bid....

Lets get a group of people together and we can bid on the New York Tracks. I for one will be glad to the see the current ownership gone. They were nothing but crooks. It is going to be hard to compete with Frank and Churchill. But whoever gets it, I hope they make New York racing better than what is currently is.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Lets get a group of people together and we can bid on the New York Tracks. I for one will be glad to the see the current ownership gone. They were nothing but crooks. It is going to be hard to compete with Frank and Churchill. But whoever gets it, I hope they make New York racing better than what is currently is.

Those crooks are gone and the Stronach people will take over soon enough. It is about time too. These guys have had more second chances than should be allowed.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Those crooks are gone and the Stronach people will take over soon enough. It is about time too. These guys have had more second chances than should be allowed.

You think Frank will be awarded the bid? I think it will be the group from Churchill.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You think Frank will be awarded the bid? I think it will be the group from Churchill.

I will go with Stronach but either would be fine with me.

i think i'll pass, i don't want to wake up and find a dead horses head in my bed, lol ala, GF.

these are people who will not let this go without a fight.

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i think i'll pass, i don't want to wake up and find a dead horses head in my bed, lol ala, GF.

these are people who will not let this go without a fight.

That was funny. I wouldnt want to mess with them either.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i think i'll pass, i don't want to wake up and find a dead horses head in my bed, lol ala, GF.

these are people who will not let this go without a fight.

Would you let a corrupt cash cow go easily? NYRA is semi-legit organized crime.

[blackthroatedwind]

Do you all make ill-informed and ignorant comments in life or is it just with the anonymity of the internet that you spew garbage like this?

Magna? They pretty much disqualified themselves from contention when Frank Stronach opened his mouth at the first hearing that was held in Saratoga about four months ago when he announced his plans to turn Saratoga Racecourse into a year round entertainment center. The political uproar that resulted from this eliminated him from the running and set a blueprint for what not to say for every other potential bidder.

When you make comments like " NYRA is semi-legit organized crime " what exactly are you referring to?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you all make ill-informed and ignorant comments in life or is it just with the anonymity of the internet that you spew garbage like this?

Magna? They pretty much disqualified themselves from contention when Frank Stronach opened his mouth at the first hearing that was held in Saratoga about four months ago when he announced his plans to turn Saratoga Racecourse into a year round entertainment center. The political uproar that resulted from this eliminated him from the running and set a blueprint for what not to say for every other potential bidder.

When you make comments like " NYRA is semi-legit organized crime " what exactly are you referring to?

cut it out ....


you know damn well what he is referring to.

life is not a politically correct color by numbers game.

grow up and deal with reality

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you all make ill-informed and ignorant comments in life or is it just with the anonymity of the internet that you spew garbage like this?

Magna? They pretty much disqualified themselves from contention when Frank Stronach opened his mouth at the first hearing that was held in Saratoga about four months ago when he announced his plans to turn Saratoga Racecourse into a year round entertainment center. The political uproar that resulted from this eliminated him from the running and set a blueprint for what not to say for every other potential bidder.

When you make comments like " NYRA is semi-legit organized crime " what exactly are you referring to?

Things have changed since Bill Clinton's friends may be putting up some of the money with Stronach. As for NYRA, that is a great track record or corruption they have going there.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

cut it out ....


you know damn well what he is referring to.

life is not a politically correct color by numbers game.

grow up and deal with reality

Cut it out? What does that mean? Are you suggesting I should stop infusing facts into a discussion and continue to allow people to make incorrect and offensive remarks without questioning them?

Perhaps if you researched the situation before irresponsibly commenting on it I wouldn't have to question your remarks.

Once again....what is meant by that remark about NYRA?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you all make ill-informed and ignorant comments in life or is it just with the anonymity of the internet that you spew garbage like this?

Magna? They pretty much disqualified themselves from contention when Frank Stronach opened his mouth at the first hearing that was held in Saratoga about four months ago when he announced his plans to turn Saratoga Racecourse into a year round entertainment center. The political uproar that resulted from this eliminated him from the running and set a blueprint for what not to say for every other potential bidder.

When you make comments like " NYRA is semi-legit organized crime " what exactly are you referring to?

Andy he is a member of a "cult" in which the leader is associated with Empire racing. I tried to argue with him but got tired of it after a while. I'd love to watch you dismember him in this argument if you have the energy.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Andy he is a member of a "cult" in which the leader is associated with Empire racing. I tried to argue with him but got tired of it after a while. I'd love to watch you dismember him in this argument if you have the energy.

Read this and then tell me how great nyra is. Dismember me? That is hilarious. Almost as hilarious as the NYRA corruption report that came out. Nice to know they love to rip off the betters and owners.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Things have changed since Bill Clinton's friends may be putting up some of the money with Stronach. As for NYRA, that is a great track record or corruption they have going there.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...yra_report.pdf

Because Bill Clinton has a relationship with Belinda Stronach is not going to help the cash poor Magna get the franchise. They have already stated they can't afford to bid for the slots. The simple fact is they are less than a non-contendor.

How, by the way, anyone could want Magna to further their racing interests after the debacle at Gulfstream is beyond me.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Because Bill Clinton has a relationship with Belinda Stronach is not going to help the cash poor Magna get the franchise. They have already stated they can't afford to bid for the slots. The simple fact is they are less than a non-contendor.

How, by the way, anyone could want Magna to further their racing interests after the debacle at Gulfstream is beyond me.

Gulfstream is going to be great once we get rid of the corrupt Bush in the state house and his loser religious right friends who are holding up slots. South Florida will soon be the new Vegas. Clinton's friends are actually not just going to back Stronach, they are investing cash in the business.

[blackthroatedwind]

Empire? They couldn't even raise the $3 Million they claimed they needed for their initial operating budget. Please.

Nothing like a group claiming to represent horsemen that also plans to take in excess of 20% of any profits directly out of racing. Who would fall for that?

Yeah I know, its been really tiresome watching NYRA the "evil empire" charging people 2 and 3 dollars to get into saratoga Race Course while their counterparts charge 150 to get into the DERby or 40 dolars to sit in a carrel with no view of the track at Gulf. What awful guys they are huh?
Oh and evil NYRA instituted a detention barn to attempt to stop raceday cheating, while none of their counterparst have followed suit.
NYRA has consistently provided the highest quality of year round racing of anyone on the planet. This while doing it under a not for profit status and not gouging fans when they walk in the door.
No horseman or betors have been cheated out of money they deserve even one time. Gee what a horrible group huh?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Empire? They couldn't even raise the $3 Million they claimed they needed for their initial operating budget. Please.

Nothing like a group claiming to represent horsemen that also plans to take in excess of 20% of any profits directly out of racing. Who would fall for that?

Lots of folks apparently. Empire sounds like a great group!!! All those fine minds!! ALl that leadership!!! Board members!!! Now all they have to is raise a billion dollars. Sounds good to me.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah I know, its been really tiresome watching NYRA the "evil empire" charging people 2 and 3 dollars to get into saratoga Race Course while their counterparts charge 150 to get into the DERby or 40 dolars to sit in a carrel with no view of the track at Gulf. What awful guys they are huh?
Oh and evil NYRA instituted a detention barn to attempt to stop raceday cheating, while none of their counterparst have followed suit.
NYRA has consistently provided the highest quality of year round racing of anyone on the planet. This while doing it under a not for profit status and not gouging fans when they walk in the door.
No horseman or betors have been cheated out of money they deserve even one time. Gee what a horrible group huh?

Why charge more than $2-3 when you are going to rip them off at the window and on the scales. NYRA needed a detention barn because drugs were so out of control. No horseman or gamblers have ever been cheated? Read the NYRA report I attached. It is basically run by organized crime.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Why charge more than $2-3 when you are going to rip them off at the window and on the scales. NYRA needed a detention barn because drugs were so out of control. No horseman or gamblers have ever been cheated? Read the NYRA report I attached. It is basically run by organized crime.

See what I mean? NYRA is not run by organized crime. The indivuals like Charlie Heyward, Bill Nader, Steve Duncker, and the recently deceased Peter Karches are/were honorable men with high degress of intelligence and integrity. Believe any propaganda you want. Whatever. What time is the book burning today?