Democrats Reject Key 9/11 Panel Suggestion

[Rupert Pupkin]

This should not surprise anyone. As I've said before, for the most part there is very little differnce between the two parties.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

This should not surprise anyone. As I've said before, for the most part there is very little differnce between the two parties.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html

Rupert,
Really not surprising. Funding faulty "intelligence" doesn't seem to be on the Dem's plate. They have Hersh afterall.
There is, imho, a difference between the two parties.
The "I" word is still floating around. Not likely, but possible.
The Wash Post has been "cheer leading" for the "cheer leader" for quite a while.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...6/11/30/p12530

We'll see. Dems hold some cards. They're not tipping their hand...yet.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Rupert,
Really not surprising. Funding faulty "intelligence" doesn't seem to be on the Dem's plate. They have Hersh afterall.
There is, imho, a difference between the two parties.
The "I" word is still floating around. Not likely, but possible.
The Wash Post has been "cheer leading" for the "cheer leader" for quite a while.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...6/11/30/p12530

We'll see. Dems hold some cards. They're not tipping their hand...yet.

So...Saint Hersh decides to 'float' the idea that the Administrations' Plan B is to "first-strike" Iran? No fomenting of irrational fear there,right? Congrats on Nancys' first week! I'm so assured we're in capable hands now!! No need to tip their hand..they have to plug the holes in their boat first!!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So...Saint Hersh decides to 'float' the idea that the Administrations' Plan B is to "first-strike" Iran? No fomenting of irrational fear there,right? Congrats on Nancys' first week! I'm so assured we're in capable hands now!! No need to tip their hand..they have to plug the holes in their boat first!!

We'll see timm.
Seems like they have the task of keeping the "boat afloat" that Dubbya's handed them. Dubbya's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The Dems aren't on the bridge yet.
We'll see.

Where are the life boats? Is Maliki the captain on one? HMMM...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

LOL

Seriously, is this a DU talking-point!?!?

No talking point.
Hey Baba,
Did you ever get "stood up" only to come groveling back on the next day to beg for another "date"?
The strutting cowboy is looking to dance with who ever can dance with him.
Blow jobs later.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e2e63c7c-809...0779e2340.html

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Rupert,
Really not surprising. Funding faulty "intelligence" doesn't seem to be on the Dem's plate. They have Hersh afterall.
There is, imho, a difference between the two parties.
The "I" word is still floating around. Not likely, but possible.
The Wash Post has been "cheer leading" for the "cheer leader" for quite a while.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...6/11/30/p12530

We'll see. Dems hold some cards. They're not tipping their hand...yet.

Yeah, the Washington Post is a real chear leader for Bush. I wish they could be more unbiased. Thankfully there are good, unbiased sources out there like thepeoplesvoice.org. LOL.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Let's stay focused here. The Dems made a pledge. Now, they do not appear willing to follow through on it.

I am not sure what Iran or "blow jobs" have to do with that other than your attempts to say, "Well, the Dems still aren't as bad. Lookie here!"

Like with the other recent topic, if the Dems do not follow through on this campaign promise, what are you going to say about it? And what I mean by "say about it" does not include "Iranian blow jobs" or other such BS.

Focus on the issue at hand, if you can; you'll get a much more rich discussion and participation if you do. If you simply want a battle of polemic hyperlinks, I am out and not sure how many others would stick around for more than one or two posts.

In short, take your ADD meds, OK!?!

Baba,
I knew the insult from you would come up soon enough.
It did.
I don't expect that you'll take the time to read this.
Since Timm mentioned Hersh, I found this article to be of interest. Scroll down. It shows his credibility.
Aslo, since Pope B has spent some time in Turkey, you might find this article of interest. War on drugs? http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2775/The_...of_a_NationWar on terror?
Please, Baba, take some time to become better informed before you come at me with your childish insults. OK?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Baba,
I knew the insult from you would come up soon enough.
It did.
I don't expect that you'll take the time to read this.
Since Timm mentioned Hersh, I found this article to be of interest. Scroll down. It shows his credibility.
Aslo, since Pope B has spent some time in Turkey, you might find this article of interest. War on drugs? http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2775/The_...of_a_NationWar on terror?
Please, Baba, take some time to become better informed before you come at me with your childish insults. OK?

DTS: you brought up Hersh in the Peoplesvoice link, and his name being mentioned in another link hardly represents cementing Hershs' credibility! The Dems won't fund any intelligence,methinks. Obviously, they're putting the moral imperative on the backburner til it suits them,and then start the pompous vilification of all things Republican in the Spring.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: you brought up Hersh in the Peoplesvoice link, and his name being mentioned in another link hardly represents cementing Hershs' credibility! The Dems won't fund any intelligence,methinks. Obviously, they're putting the moral imperative on the backburner til it suits them,and then start the pompous vilification of all things Republican in the Spring.

Look, the Dems didn't run anything. They ran on "we aren't the other guys".
It worked because of how unpopular the repubs are due to the war.
The problem they have is that they seem completely unable to even get along with each other and set an agenda, much less stick to one.

I think many Dens underestimate how narrow their wins were as well. The approval rating of the President was so low, and diapproval for the war very high. Despite this, the key senate wins and house wins were by very small margins. The Dems have never accpeted responsibility for their many losses in both congressional and presidential elections. It was always " they cheated", "they counted the votes wrong" that they blamed. They just couldn't accept the fact that your average American wants nothing to with liberal stances. So who do they make majority leader? Pelosi!!!! LOL!!!
They just don't get it. They seem to be unwilling to make a move to the middle, and the parties leaders are still hard left.
That election was not a mandate. They can't just sit in office and do nothing for two years and expect to keep the majority. Yet I think thats exactly their plan.
The "plan" seems to center around doing as little as possible for two years and just trying to keep control of congress in '08. Stall on anything controversial, and smile.
Its not gonna work. I don't think the last election was a vote on Repubs/Dems. It was a vote on the war and Bush. Bush won't be running in '08 and his weight won't drag anyone down.
In addition, the new lows set by Dems in campaign tactics were surprising to even hardened and grizzled veterans of politics. They reached for as much dirt as they could find on opposing candidates, and told tales that were not only untruthful, but in some cases outright lies.
Now that they have lowered the standards of just how low you can go in campaigning, expect the Repubs to come out swinging with just as much dirt on Dems in the next election.
This congressional control has two years written all over it.

[timmgirvan]

Oracle: unless they pull a WABBIT out of a hat I think you're right? You seen any wascally wabbits lately?

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Oracle: unless they pull a WABBIT out of a hat I think you're right? You seen any wascally wabbits lately?

In our district a very popular incumbent was unseated because with one week left someone illegally leaked a 911 report to the media. The report was portrayed as making him a wife beater type.
Word has now gotten out that in fact the reason no charges were filed due to the incident was not because of who he was, but because he in fact did absolutely nothing wrong.
The police officer who supposedly leaked the report has already been demoted, and the incident is being investigated.
People around here already feel duped by that leak, and realize that they have been had.
If they held the election today, he'd blow her away.
Thats what the Dems had to resort to in order to win.
I wouldn't wanna be a sitting Dem with any skeletons in my closet in two years. Once you establish just how low, low is, you have to expect the other side to strike back with a vengeance.

[timmgirvan]

True story! I'm sure it's much dirtier than most of us imagine! I could tell you stories.....

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

True story! I'm sure it's much dirtier than most of us imagine! I could tell you stories.....

Go to www.timesunion.com and when the site loads type in Sweeney under the search area.
Its the Albany, newspaper.
Or go to www.saratogian.com and type in the same thing.
Its absolutely sickening.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Let's stay focused here. The Dems made a pledge. Now, they do not appear willing to follow through on it.

I am not sure what Iran or "blow jobs" have to do with that other than your attempts to say, "Well, the Dems still aren't as bad. Lookie here!"

Like with the other recent topic, if the Dems do not follow through on this campaign promise, what are you going to say about it? And what I mean by "say about it" does not include "Iranian blow jobs" or other such BS.

Focus on the issue at hand, if you can; you'll get a much more rich discussion and participation if you do. If you simply want a battle of polemic hyperlinks, I am out and not sure how many others would stick around for more than one or two posts.

In short, take your ADD meds, OK!?!

Baba,
I think your question is, "if the dems do not follow through on this campaign promise, what are you going to say about it?"
If that is the case, I will say they promised something that they didn't produce.
Did you read the post article that Rupert started this thread with?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html
If you did, you might notice that it says in the article that this hasn't been confirmed.
Of the 41 recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, do you know how many have been implemented by the Repub controlled congress in the past three years?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Baba,
I think your question is, "if the dems do not follow through on this campaign promise, what are you going to say about it?"
If that is the case, I will say they promised something that they didn't produce.
Did you read the post article that Rupert started this thread with?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...901317_pf.html
If you did, you might notice that it says in the article that this hasn't been confirmed.
Of the 41 recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission, do you know how many have been implemented by the Repub controlled congress in the past three years?

I should have provided this link to the 41 recommendations.
http://grumet.net/911/recommendations.html

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by oracle80

In addition, the new lows set by Dems in campaign tactics were surprising to even hardened and grizzled veterans of politics. They reached for as much dirt as they could find on opposing candidates, and told tales that were not only untruthful, but in some cases outright lies.

Just remember that, while politics has gotten ridiculously ugly, that certainly no single party has a monopoly on untrue and outright false advertising.

There are Republican laundry lists of it from just this past election.

I'm not saying the Dems are innocent in this regard, but they certainly aren't the bad guys when it comes to false campaign advertising.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I should have provided this link to the 41 recommendations.
http://grumet.net/911/recommendations.html

Here's an interesting article on the 9-11 recommendations.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200611280001

[GenuineRisk]

Oh my stars and garters, people, can we at least wait until the Dems are actually back in control of Congress before we start complaining about what they're not doing?

Not that I'm necessarily hopeful--after all, they were the ones in control of Congress during Iran-Contra and they *****-footed their way through that one. If ever there was a situation that called for impeachment, it was that one and the Dems blew it.

Happy 20th Anniversary on the Reagan administration illegally selling arms to Iran in order to fund the contras in Nicaragua. Woohoo. Good times.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Oh my stars and garters, people, can we at least wait until the Dems are actually back in control of Congress before we start complaining about what they're not doing?

Not that I'm necessarily hopeful--after all, they were the ones in control of Congress during Iran-Contra and they *****-footed their way through that one. If ever there was a situation that called for impeachment, it was that one and the Dems blew it.

Happy 20th Anniversary on the Reagan administration illegally selling arms to Iran in order to fund the contras in Nicaragua. Woohoo. Good times.

Hey GR: you take a couple a weeks off and you plays catch up....dems the rules,lol!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Oh my stars and garters, people, can we at least wait until the Dems are actually back in control of Congress before we start complaining about what they're not doing?

Not that I'm necessarily hopeful--after all, they were the ones in control of Congress during Iran-Contra and they *****-footed their way through that one. If ever there was a situation that called for impeachment, it was that one and the Dems blew it.

Happy 20th Anniversary on the Reagan administration illegally selling arms to Iran in order to fund the contras in Nicaragua. Woohoo. Good times.

Genuine Risk,
Despite whatever Nancy P decides, those that elected her are looking at what she was elected to do. Her constituents have spoken.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1203-26.htm
The margin is clear. The voices have spoken. I sure hope she's listening.