Todd Schrupp and Frank Lyons are....

Those guys are two of the coolest guys you will ever meet and the kind of guys you wish you could hang with at the track all the time.
I don't get TVg here(its not on our cable system) so I rarely if ever see it, only when I go to Kentucky for the BC or Derby. I read a lot of posts about TVG and the personalities here and just skip over them. On Wednesday though, the two of em came into Lansdon's suite(Lyons is a friend of Lans) and hung out for an hour and watched a couple races and had a drink(where they broadcast at CD is right down the hall from Lans suite). Saw em the rest of the week as well. They were absolutely two of the best folks I've met at the track ever.
Both are funny guys, and very smart, and very passionate about the game.
I don't get to see them on TV much, but anyone who knocks these guys hasn't met em, they are top notch.

[jpops757]

My limited exposer to both is that Todd caps and builds ticket to win money and not to just look good and Lyons impresses me by the way he can visualy pick up on the quality and readiness of a horse.

Originally Posted by jpops757

My limited exposer to both is that Todd caps and builds ticket to win money and not to just look good and Lyons impresses me by the way he can visualy pick up on the quality and readiness of a horse.

Todd and I argued two things about BC Day and he was right about one and I was right about the other(he didn't like Quay and I did, and I said Bern would get looked in the eye and spit it and he said no way). I enjoyed talking to him and he was real cool. Lyons loves the game, its so apparent from the way he talks.

[jpops757]

I was with you on CQ . Cq and Araafa realy hurt my betting day .My hedge bet using red rock in the double helped me recoup a little but I had several others ahead of Red and didnt put enough on him.

[Bernardini]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Those guys are two of the coolest guys you will ever meet and the kind of guys you wish you could hang with at the track all the time.
I don't get TVg here(its not on our cable system) so I rarely if ever see it, only when I go to Kentucky for the BC or Derby. I read a lot of posts about TVG and the personalities here and just skip over them. On Wednesday though, the two of em came into Lansdon's suite(Lyons is a friend of Lans) and hung out for an hour and watched a couple races and had a drink(where they broadcast at CD is right down the hall from Lans suite). Saw em the rest of the week as well. They were absolutely two of the best folks I've met at the track ever.
Both are funny guys, and very smart, and very passionate about the game.
I don't get to see them on TV much, but anyone who knocks these guys hasn't met em, they are top notch.

I never meet, but like'em both. Usually, they know what they are talking about with a good sense of humor. I did not agree with Frank's Derby pick Point Determined, though Todd picked Barbaro. Frank is part owner of Castledale, if im not mistaken. Anyway, I do watch these guys on TVG and hands down they are better than ESPN crew.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Todd and I argued two things about BC Day and he was right about one and I was right about the other(he didn't like Quay and I did, and I said Bern would get looked in the eye and spit it and he said no way). I enjoyed talking to him and he was real cool. Lyons loves the game, its so apparent from the way he talks.

What was the one thing you were right about. Quay got beat by 10 and Bernardini ran the same race as he always does. If spitting it means finishing 2nd in the Classic to a champion on two continents, an older horse who has won multiple Grade I's then I wish I had a horse that spit all the time.

[The Bid]

Todd Schrupp is better than who on ESPN? Out of anyone who gives a "qualified" opinion, Schrupp is one you can throw right out the window. He is an absolute fool when it comes to handicapping a horserace, or any intelligent commentary. He is a good personality on TV, but as far as picking horses, FORGET IT

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

simon bray and ken r where cool just saw them walking around the paddock..

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Todd Schrupp is better than who on ESPN? Out of anyone who gives a "qualified" opinion, Schrupp is one you can throw right out the window. He is an absolute fool when it comes to handicapping a horserace, or any intelligent commentary. He is a good personality on TV, but as far as picking horses, FORGET IT

I couldn't agree with you more...

Originally Posted by The Bid

Todd Schrupp is better than who on ESPN? Out of anyone who gives a "qualified" opinion, Schrupp is one you can throw right out the window. He is an absolute fool when it comes to handicapping a horserace, or any intelligent commentary. He is a good personality on TV, but as far as picking horses, FORGET IT

I dont know about that. He puts up a play of the day on a web site that FOX has I think--anyway, he hit it like 3-4 days in a row. And I think all of them were at least 5-1 or greater.

[The Bid]

Euro

Even bad handicappers have a few good days. It must have been a few of his good days. The majority of them are money burners. Hes brutal.

Originally Posted by The Bid

Euro

Even bad handicappers have a few good days. It must have been a few of his good days. The majority of them are money burners. Hes brutal.

But you know, he has an opinion and that is what I respect. His picks make sense when he tells you his philosophy. But at least he is putting it out there. But most handicappers are only right about 20% of the time.

[The Bid]

To me thats what makes him worse than anyone else. He has such a strong opinion, and on most occasions he has no idea what hes talking about. Im all for a guy throwing out a few picks, winning a few, losing a few, whatever. His reasoning is poor, his handicapping is poor. The worst part is when he tries to plug pedigree into his equation like he has any idea what hes talking about. I liken it to me trying to tell someone what is wrong with their car when I dont even pump my own gas. I dont change my own oil, I dont do anything or know anything about a car. If I walked over to a mechanic and started talking about pumps, and valves, and all that **** I would look like a douchebag. He looks like a douchebag on a daily basis

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Those guys are two of the coolest guys you will ever meet and the kind of guys you wish you could hang with at the track all the time.
I don't get TVg here(its not on our cable system) so I rarely if ever see it, only when I go to Kentucky for the BC or Derby. I read a lot of posts about TVG and the personalities here and just skip over them. On Wednesday though, the two of em came into Lansdon's suite(Lyons is a friend of Lans) and hung out for an hour and watched a couple races and had a drink(where they broadcast at CD is right down the hall from Lans suite). Saw em the rest of the week as well. They were absolutely two of the best folks I've met at the track ever.
Both are funny guys, and very smart, and very passionate about the game.
I don't get to see them on TV much, but anyone who knocks these guys hasn't met em, they are top notch.

Most of those guys are really nice guys. I have met Frank, Gary Seibel, Iggy, and some of the others. They are all great guys.

There was a big race last year where one of our horses grabbed a quarter really bad at the break. She stumbled so badly that the jock lost his irons and had to pull her up. I ran down to the track to see if she was alright. Her foot was all bleeding. The wound was pretty much just superficial but I didn't know that at the time. All I could see was alot of blood. It was one of the worst days of my life. I was literally practically crying. Anyway, Frank came up to me and said how sorry he was about what happened. I thought it was really nice of him because he didn't have to come up to me. I don't know him very well. I had only met him once or twice. He's just a really nice guy.

[repent]

I watch TVG every day.
dvr everything from 12PM ET until they go off the air.

I have every hour of weekend Trackside Live on dvd from the months of March to November from the past 2 years.

I have NO idea how anyone can come to the conclusion that Todd T Schrupp is a good or intellectual handicapper.
the one positive thing I can say about him is that he puts his picks out there for everyone to see, but they are less than insightful.

Frank is not on near as much as Todd but this is one of the guys who said Afleet Alex simply did not "stay" 2 turns at Oaklawn Park.
I have little use for his analysis and he is not the turf expert that TVG makes him out to be.

Caruthers is an excellent speed handicapper.
Mr B is very good on the west coast.
Vic Stauffer provides some of the most insightful analysis and is very good at pointing out and explaining class moves(up and down).
the Quarters guys are great at what they do. its a different sport, but they are great at it.
Rich Perloff is a different kind of guy with some real "out there" ways of picking horses, but he hits prices and I love the way he structures pick 3s and pick 4s based on his unique strengths as a handicapper.

Schrupp is not near the analyst that Nancy Yure(sp?) is.
or Chris K for that matter.

how in the hell Schrupp was ever Calder Race Course's "expert handicapper" is one of the great mysteries of the world.
ranks right up there with the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.



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