Saratoga Robbery

[pointman]

I have just been robbed by the Saratoga stewards. That is the worst DQ I have EVER seen in my life. There is no integrity left in this game when the stewards rob people like that.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by pointman

I have just been robbed by the Saratoga stewards. That is the worst DQ I have EVER seen in my life. There is no integrity left in this game when the stewards rob people like that.

Add to the fact that many horses are running so different pace wise than what their PP suggest. If they are trying to get us to say **** this already and quit the game they are doing an awesome job.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by jms62

Add to the fact that many horses are running so different pace wise than what their PP suggest. If they are trying to get us to say **** this already and quit the game they are doing an awesome job.

All the Saratoga stewards must be fired and indicted for what they just did. It is not a joke when you steal from people like that. I find it hard to believe that if the 1 was not 58-1 and the 3 was 2-1 that they would have done that. It may just drive me from the game since I no longer have confidence in the integrity of the game after seeing that. I am still in a state of shock.

I also had that horse in dime a day to make matters much worse.

[degenerate5]

Sick! They left horses up all meet who did way worse. The #1 came over but never touched the #3. The Stewards are crooks especially Carmine. He is the leader of the pack. Should have been no change

[RockHardTen1985]

I thought this call was close but correct. I thought the call on the Pletcher 2nd time in this country turf horse yesterday was the really shitty call. Here is something from the Crist blog...

4:48 pm: Rank outsider 58-1 Coordinate outfinished 2-1 favorite Alexahente but properly did not survive a stewards' inquiry and a claim of foul and the order of finish was reversed. Coordinate clearly veered in and forced Alexahente to be taken up in deep stretch.

Coordinate, a Darley homebred by Hard Spun who was trounced in two dirt sprints at 49-1 and 46-1, went right to the front and forgot to stop. Alexahente, an Eddie Kenneally second-timer, was gaining at the rail when Coordinate cme over and cost him all momentum.

Durkin picked up on it right away as they crossed the finish line: "Coordinate is the winner -- well, at least under the wire first."

[pointman]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I thought this call was close but correct. I thought the call on the Pletcher 2nd time in this country turf horse yesterday was the really shitty call. Here is something from the Crist blog...

4:48 pm: Rank outsider 58-1 Coordinate outfinished 2-1 favorite Alexahente but properly did not survive a stewards' inquiry and a claim of foul and the order of finish was reversed. Coordinate clearly veered in and forced Alexahente to be taken up in deep stretch.

Coordinate, a Darley homebred by Hard Spun who was trounced in two dirt sprints at 49-1 and 46-1, went right to the front and forgot to stop. Alexahente, an Eddie Kenneally second-timer, was gaining at the rail when Coordinate cme over and cost him all momentum.

Durkin picked up on it right away as they crossed the finish line: "Coordinate is the winner -- well, at least under the wire first."

Trolling as you usually do. The call is 100% indefensible. Christ is full of it here and had an interest in the call on the pk6 ticket. The 1 barely touched the 3, that is if he did at all. Even so, the 1 was clearly better in the stretch and would have won regardless. We have seen much worse interference this meet that did not result in a DQ.

The call was criminal and it should be investigated.

Now go away troll.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pointman

Trolling as you usually do. The call is 100% indefensible. Christ is full of it here and had an interest in the call on the pk6 ticket. The 1 barely touched the 3, that is if he did at all. Even so, the 1 was clearly better in the stretch and would have won regardless. We have seen much worse interference this meet that did not result in a DQ.

The call was criminal and it should be investigated.

Now go away troll.

How am I trolling?? You make a fool out of yourself, you really do. Your steaming and lost, so Im trolling?? So Durkin and Crist are trolling also, right? I am entitled to an opinion and like I said I thought it was close, but correct. Sorry you lost.
I would like anyone who reads this thread to comment if you think Im trolling here??

[pointman]

Rocktard proves once again that he is not only a troll, but not too bright. Yesterday he calls the Msawish DQ horrible and then tries to justify the DQ of Coordinate today. Clearly if one thought the call was bad where the contact made by Msawish was much worse than the contact made by Coordinate, logically he cannot really think the latter was a justified DQ.

Therefore the board dipshit is clearly trolling again.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pointman

Rocktard proves once again that he is not only a troll, but not too bright. Yesterday he calls the Msawish DQ horrible and then tries to justify the DQ of Coordinate today. Clearly if one thought the call was bad where the contact made by Msawish was much worse than the contact made by Coordinate, logically he cannot really think the latter was a justified DQ.

Therefore the board dipshit is clearly trolling again.

LOL I really hope people are reading this stuff.... So Serling was wrong also? Because on twitter he did not seem to thrilled with the Msawish DQ.
Here is whats happening right now, and its crystal clear to anyone who takes 5min and reads this. I said this DQ today was close, but I felt it was correct.... Because you lost you went crazy and started with the personal insults again. Stay classy and again, Im sorry that you lost.
Now you tell people how to think logically? I said today's call I felt was close but correct. You must think you are like the horse god kingpin steward now. Because Im wrong, Crist is wrong and everyone is wrong, except you. And Im not going away. If you want to keep this up and Byk feels I should be gone for this then so be it. I have said nothing wrong in this thread, at all. Nothing. You lost, your steaming and your acting like a 3yr old. Those are the facts.

[degenerate5]

The point I'm making is they left horses up all meet who did much worse. As usual there is no consistency from the Stewards. You really have to hold your breath every time the inquiry sign goes up. It's not fair to the bettors.

[Calzone Lord]

Rosie is the queen of the frivolous foul claim. She should have a bright future as an actress, one day.

She must be convincing on the phone, too. The stewards looked at Startup Nation, for about five minutes, after her preposterous foul claim in the With Anticipation stakes earlier in the week.

Alvarado's horse did come over and intimidate her, even brushed with her horse, but it was a sell-job on her part to stop riding.

It's a simple solution:

* The incident in question didn't have any impact on the outcome of the race. It didn't cost anyone a placing. The horse who was intimidated in deep stretch still managed to finish 2nd.

* Leave the winner up. Fine or suspend the jock.

That way, the jock is properly punished. However, the bettors who played the winner, the trainer of the winner, and the owner of the winner aren't punished.

Unfortunately, if the incident does result in a horse being cost a placing, there has to be a DQ.

The stewards have been great this meet, imo. But this was the wrong call, today.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Rosie is the queen of the frivolous foul claim. She should have a bright future as an actress, one day.

She must be convincing on the phone, too. The stewards looked at Startup Nation, for about five minutes, after her preposterous foul claim in the With Anticipation stakes earlier in the week.

Alvarado's horse did come over and intimidate her, even brushed with her horse, but it was a sell-job on her part to stop riding.

It's a simple solution:

* The incident in question didn't have any impact on the outcome of the race. It didn't cost anyone a placing. The horse who was intimidated in deep stretch still managed to finish 2nd.

* Leave the winner up. Fine or suspend the jock.

That way, the jock is properly punished. However, the bettors who played the winner, the trainer of the winner, and the owner of the winner aren't punished.

Unfortunately, if the incident does result in a horse being cost a placing, there has to be a DQ.

The stewards have been great this meet, imo. But this was the wrong call, today.

DId you read the drf article with her comments about the Startup Nation race? She said Joel put all the other jockeys in danger.

[ateamstupid]

Could've been retribution for Junior's ridiculous comments about the non-DQ in the Woodward.

[Storm Cadet]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Rosie is the queen of the frivolous foul claim.

Calzone, today's claim of foul was a trainer objection...not Rosie! But she must be good on the phone!

[ranger5830]

Looking at the head on of the whole race, a case could be made for disqualification, but more for Coordinate blowing the far turn and causing several horses (most notably #12) to take up. By the looks of things, the stewards didn't even look at that. To me, that impacted the race a lot more than anything that happened in the stretch. He should have either been left up or placed farther down the field, but placing him second was not the right call.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I would like anyone who reads this thread to comment if you think Im trolling here??

I didn't see the race, didn't watch the replay, am only commenting on this part and ONLY cause you asked...

I think the problem is that whenever Pointman has a strong feeling on something and vocalizes it you usually show up and, inevitably, disagree.

... and then it escalates.

Maybe you should think about just stepping away from it next time... don't comment at all. There are plenty of people to engage in conversation. If you're always right there to have an opinion on his (opinion) then yeah... it could be construed as trolling.

Does this make sense?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I didn't see the race, didn't watch the replay, am only commenting on this part and ONLY cause you asked...

I think the problem is that whenever Pointman has a strong feeling on something and vocalizes it you usually show up and, inevitably, disagree.

... and then it escalates.

Maybe you should think about just stepping away from it next time... don't comment at all. There are plenty of people to engage in conversation. If you're always right there to have an opinion on his (opinion) then yeah... it could be construed as trolling.

Does this make sense?

well said

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I didn't see the race, didn't watch the replay, am only commenting on this part and ONLY cause you asked...

I think the problem is that whenever Pointman has a strong feeling on something and vocalizes it you usually show up and, inevitably, disagree.

... and then it escalates.

Maybe you should think about just stepping away from it next time... don't comment at all. There are plenty of people to engage in conversation. If you're always right there to have an opinion on his (opinion) then yeah... it could be construed as trolling.

Does this make sense?

You have always been nice to me, you have defended me and you know I appreciate it. But I respectfully disagree with this. I commented an hour later on a race I wagered on. I used 4 horses in the pick 3 the DQ horse and the put up horse. I cashed, but would have cashed huge if they left it.... I was just giving my opinion on what I saw. I am entitled to an opinion. I also posted Crists opinion. He did not like that either and I believe he said Crist was full of it.
Its not always either, I dont post on everything he says. I hardly quote him at all. Thats what he likes to say to justify the personal attacks, calling me a troll,etc....

[pointman]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I didn't see the race, didn't watch the replay, am only commenting on this part and ONLY cause you asked...

I think the problem is that whenever Pointman has a strong feeling on something and vocalizes it you usually show up and, inevitably, disagree.

... and then it escalates.

Maybe you should think about just stepping away from it next time... don't comment at all. There are plenty of people to engage in conversation. If you're always right there to have an opinion on his (opinion) then yeah... it could be construed as trolling.

Does this make sense?

Exactly. He knows what he is doing.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have always been nice to me, you have defended me and you know I appreciate it. But I respectfully disagree with this. I commented an hour later on a race I wagered on. I used 4 horses in the pick 3 the DQ horse and the put up horse. I cashed, but would have cashed huge if they left it.... I was just giving my opinion on what I saw. I am entitled to an opinion. I also posted Crists opinion. He did not like that either and I believe he said Crist was full of it.
Its not always either, I dont post on everything he says. I hardly quote him at all. Thats what he likes to say to justify the personal attacks, calling me a troll,etc....

What a bunch of nonsense. The most telling part that this is complete BS is that you didn't use the 1 on any ticket. Don't post some fake numbers and put "Accepted" next to it, that is evidence of nothing. You are a pathetic trolling liar.