Any Zito explanation for Sun King not running in JCGC?

Nostradamus · #1 10-06-2006, 09:15 AM

What is Zito's excuse for not running this horse? Does this guy think he can beat Bernardini off two months rest in the BCC. The guy is clueless.

SniperSB23 · #2 10-06-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

What is Zito's excuse for not running this horse? Does this guy think he can beat Bernardini off two months rest in the BCC. The guy is clueless.

He didn't want to enter Sun King and Wanderin Boy. While Spanish Chestnut was in there would be pace for Sun King to close off of which is why he considered it. Once SC was out there was no pace so he ran Wanderin Boy instead who has a very good shot at winning it on the front end.

#3 10-06-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

What is Zito's excuse for not running this horse? Does this guy think he can beat Bernardini off two months rest in the BCC. The guy is clueless.

Yeah, hes clueless. He must be the luckiest guy alive to have won: The Ky Derby twice, the Preakness, the Belmont, The Travers, The BC Juvenile filles, The Wood multiple Times, The florida derby, The Suburban, Dwyer, Jockey club Gold Cup, Futurity, The Champgane, The Remsen, The Acorn, The Kentucky Oaks, The Flower Bowl, The Sheepshead Bay, The Blue Grass, The Gotham, The Pimlico Special, The Donn, etc. Many of these hes won more than once.
Man would I love to be clueless like that.
You imbecile.

Nostradamus · #4 10-06-2006, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He didn't want to enter Sun King and Wanderin Boy. While Spanish Chestnut was in there would be pace for Sun King to close off of which is why he considered it. Once SC was out there was no pace so he ran Wanderin Boy instead who has a very good shot at winning it on the front end.

Why not throw all three in there? Makes no sense. He is going to train the horse up to the BCC? I understand with Invasor because he has a fever, but this horse should have run here just as a prep. He could have picked up nearly $200K for finishing second and it would have been a great prep.

Nostradamus · #5 10-06-2006, 09:27 AM

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Yeah, hes clueless. He must be the luckiest guy alive to have won: The Ky Derby twice, the Preakness, the Belmont, The Travers, The BC Juvenile filles, The Wood multiple Times, The florida derby, The Suburban, Dwyer, Jockey club Gold Cup, Futurity, The Champgane, The Remsen, The Acorn, The Kentucky Oaks, The Flower Bowl, The Sheepshead Bay, The Blue Grass, The Gotham, The Pimlico Special, The Donn, etc. Many of these hes won more than once.
Man would I love to be clueless like that.
You imbecile.

Ok, imbecile. You criticizing Garret Gomez and Albertrani is borderline insanity. Sounds like you lack good judgment. As I have been told numerous times, you need to put personal feeling aside if you want to make it in this business. You obviously can't do that. You criticize based on gambling money you lost, and defend guys because you know them. Maybe you should learn to be objective. A good outfit might hire you if you know half what you think you do.

#6 10-06-2006, 09:27 AM

Maybe you could enlighten Nick as to how he should be doing things. I'm sure he'd appreciate the input.

#7 10-06-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Ok, imbecile. You criticizing Garret Gomez and Albertrani is borderline insanity. Sounds like you lack good judgment. As I have been told numerous times, you need to put personal feeling aside if you want to make it in this business. You obviously can't do that. You criticize based on gambling money you lost, and defend guys because you know them. Maybe you should learn to be objective. A good outfit might hire you if you know half what you think you do.

I think Dutrow is a pretty good outfit thanks!!!
Gomez is riding very good, much better than he was earlier, but is still prone to horror show rides that Prado and johnny don't give more than 1-2 times a year.
Albertrani did a very bad job with Songster at the Spa.
I think these things are pretty obvious, has nothing to do with emotion.

Sightseek · #8 10-06-2006, 09:30 AM

How any guy can make as much money as he has with a horse like Andromeda's Hero says a lot to me. Zito is very smart with placing his horses. How many other trainers still have a horse running that ran in the BC Juvie two years ago? Yeah, that Zito...what a moron!

Nostradamus · #9 10-06-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

I think Dutrow is a pretty good outfit thanks!!!
Gomez is riding very good, much better than he was earlier, but is still prone to horror show rides that Prado and johnny don't give more than 1-2 times a year.
Albertrani did a very bad job with Songster at the Spa.
I think these things are pretty obvious, has nothing to do with emotion.

Songster is not good. Never has been. He is an ok horse. Losing money does not give you a right to personally criticize a trainer. Sounds like a sore loser to me.

dalakhani · #10 10-06-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

What is Zito's excuse for not running this horse? Does this guy think he can beat Bernardini off two months rest in the BCC. The guy is clueless.

Sun King bounces off of his tough races. What would be the point of running saturday if the BC is the ultimate goal?

If Zito thinks he can train him up to the BC then he must know something.

SniperSB23 · #11 10-06-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Why not throw all three in there? Makes no sense. He is going to train the horse up to the BCC? I understand with Invasor because he has a fever, but this horse should have run here just as a prep. He could have picked up nearly $200K for finishing second and it would have been a great prep.

I agree with you there but it then gets into the whole BS issue of showing favoritism to one owner over the other.

Nostradamus · #12 10-06-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

How any guy can make as much money as he has with a horse like Andromeda's Hero says a lot to me. Zito is very smart with placing his horses. How many other trainers still have a horse running that ran in the BC Juvie two years ago? Yeah, that Zito...what a moron!

No. Pletcher is smart at placing his horses. Zito has no excuse for not running the horse this weekend. It sounds like he is trying to get his other two some grade 1 top 3 finishes. That is ok for them, but it leaves Sun King a race short for the BCC.

Sightseek · #13 10-06-2006, 09:38 AM

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No. Pletcher is smart at placing his horses. Zito has no excuse for not running the horse this weekend. It sounds like he is trying to get his other two some grade 1 top 3 finishes. That is ok for them, but it leaves Sun King a race short for the BCC.

Pletcher also seems to go through his horses a lot quicker than Zito too. See dalakani's post above, the horse has a pattern.

slotdirt · #14 10-06-2006, 09:39 AM

I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.

Nostradamus · #15 10-06-2006, 09:43 AM

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I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.

Yeah, the Bernardini's were all over the place last year. Dutrow can do it too. A little extra help and a horse can always do it off a layoff.

How is that Kip Deville he ruined. I don't even want to know what he had in him when he ran the first 8f down at Colonial. I guess the guy is just so good that he can buy horses and make them 10 lengths faster with just good old tender love and care. LOL.

#16 10-06-2006, 09:43 AM

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I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.

I'd say that worked out pretty good.
And I'd say training Birdstone up to the Travers worked out ok also for Zito.

#17 10-06-2006, 09:44 AM

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Yeah, the Bernardini's were all over the place last year. Dutrow can do it too. A little extra help and a horse can always do it off a layoff.

How is that Kip Deville he ruined. I don't even want to know what he had in him when he ran the first 8f down at Colonial. I guess the guy is just so good that he can buy horses and make them 10 lengths faster with just good old tender love and care. LOL.

Like i said, you have all the answers.

Pointg5 · #18 10-06-2006, 09:47 AM

Probably because he already mapped out the plan and it doesn't make much sense to go off of it. I would say it might be a disaster. If he had a crystal ball and knew it was going to be a 4 horse field, maybe he'd run and have him trained accordingly. I think it's a smart move, not to go off plan. I also question the off/on theory with SK, at one time I mentioned it, but if you look at some of those off races, there's some excuses, not that he just bounced, one was it was a relatively paceless race and some others were he wasn't ridden correctly.

Seattleallstar · #19 10-06-2006, 11:19 AM

Sun King Sucks

Gander · #20 10-06-2006, 11:36 AM

Comparing Sun King to Saint Liam? I thought I heard it all. Thats just insane.
Add to that the fact that there wasnt a horse Saint Liam had to beat in the Classic with half the ability of Bernardini.

Saint Liam = 3 times the horse Sun King is
Bernardini = at least 3 times the horse Flower Alley is

Sun King is a nice horse, dont get me wrong but it would be more logical to compare Sun King to Flower Alley.