Pletcher - O'Brien - Fabre

Ok now, lets hear some opinions. This should be fun since we are adding an European mix.

Considering all things equal which would you rather have 1) Todd Pletcher 2) Adian O'Brian 3) Andre Fabre.

Now remember - ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL. Give your choice and why.

Thats a bad choice becauseits obvious that American racing is so different.
Obviously I want Todd in America. In Europe I want Fabre.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats a bad choice becauseits obvious that American racing is so different.
Obviously I want Todd in America. In Europe I want Fabre.

I see, but you are missing one point--ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL. No American racing vs European racing, no grass vs dirt. If all things were equal, who would you pick?

[paisjpq]

if all things were equal I would just want to own a horse that any one of them would want to train!

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I see, but you are missing one point--ALL THINGS ARE EQUAL. No American racing vs European racing, no grass vs dirt. If all things were equal, who would you pick?

Im not missing the point, you are.
You have to stipulate that. How teh hell can you compare trainers without surface or where? Its impossible to do even theoretically with any intelligence.
Its apples and oranges.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'll take Andre Fabre.

The other two don't even belong on a ballot with him.

[DiscreetCat=Monster]

Thats apples and oranges.

the horses in europe don't even look the same, their body structure is diffrent so the training methods would fail if they trained them the same way when they crossed the pond

[randallscott35]

Fabre in Europe. O'Brien is overrated IMO

[gallant bloom]

aob because
that way i
could meet fallon.


tony cruz
is my answer,
aob 2nd.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll take Andre Fabre.

The other two don't even belong on a ballot with him.

On this, I agree. Of course, since I've accomplished nothing in this game, my opinion is worthless.

[Hwjb]

Interesting question.

With the possible exception of Henry Cecil and Sir Michael Stoute, Andre Fabre has achieved more than any other trainer in Europe today. For the time being at least, he has proved himself more than O'Brien in the US, his record in the BC races by far the best of any European trainer. He is about to be crowned champion trainer in France for the 20th time, that says it all. All that is missing from his CV is a win in the Derby.

Its easy to forget that Aidan O'Brien is still only 37. Off the top of my head only Michael Dickinson and the greatest trainer of racehorses ever to live, Vincent O'Brien have achieved anything like similar success at such an early age. Like Fabre, O'Brien initially showcased his remarkable talents over jumps, unbelievably winning the championship in his first season with a license. He trained the almighty Istabraq to 3 Champion Hurdles, and it is a real shame that he doesn't train any jumpers anymore. I guess what you feel about O'Brien depends on how you view his Coolmore backing. Clearly its a huge advantage, but I think it is noteworthy that O'Brien consistently produces the goods with his expensive horses, whereas Godolphin, with a similar budget, go through many more peaks and troughs. I would imagine that, as a horseman, pure and simple, he is pretty much peerless.

I leave a summation of Pletcher to those who know far more about his feats than I.

On balance if asked to chose between Pletcher, O'Brien or Fabre, I'd take none of the above and send my horse to Henry Cecil. He remains the greatest for me, and always will do.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by gallant bloom

tony cruz
is my answer

Now, now dear..... the question wasn't which trainer do you want to sleep with.

My choice would be AOB (or Michael Jarvis).

[Gander]

I just saw the White Mercedes go by
That guy has an awesome set of tools!

[Nostradamus]

Maybe Todd Pletcher could win a triple crown race first. How can you put him in with these guys when he is something like 0 for 51 in triple crown races.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Maybe Todd Pletcher could win a triple crown race first. How can you put him in with these guys when he is something like 0 for 51 in triple crown races.

..and what about that sparkling BC record of his?

[Seattleallstar]

Sir Michael Stoute and Dunlop biaaches...throw in Dermot Weld