Invasor, Excitement?

[boswd]

We have heard about the great accomplishments of Lava Man, SA "Cap, HOGC, Pac Classic, Bernardini - Preakness, Jim Dandy, Travers. All great accomplishments and very worthy of all the praise they are receiving.

But Invasor is on the verge of, IMO, of accomplishing something just as if not more special - The Pimilco Special, The Suburban, The Whitney and possible the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That is a super horse type year. And yet there is little to no talk of this.

[SniperSB23]

I definitely agree that he is underappreciated. Bernardini will not have an easy time in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

he is also the Urguyanian three year old champion,

i think he was undefeated over there,

FMC would know, as he alerted the group to his first run in america months ago. not many remember though, because to recognize that, you have to forget about yourself for a while.

[Sightseek]

I think people really hold the Sun King thing against him....it's like dating a real tool and your friends never letting you live it down. LOL

Instead of saying that Sun King ran the race of his life they want to say Invasor isn't very good. Glass half full vs. glass half empty....

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I definitely agree that he is underappreciated. Bernardini will not have an easy time in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Bernardidni this and Bernardini that,,

i am sick about hearing of a horse who has yet to defeat a grade1 winner and yet to defeat an older horse.

ya he looked good with his jockeys silks flowing in the extreme breeze and some view that as speed, i view it as windy that day.
some say he defeated BARBARO and BLUGRASS CAT, i say ya, but they both broke down while racing him, so these are moot comparisons.

what we have is a three year old who picked his races to run in, picking ones he knew he could win, and in those races his formidable competition runs lame.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

Bernardidni this and Bernardini that,,

i am sick about hearing of a horse who has yet to defeat a grade1 winner and yet to defeat an older horse.

People keep forgetting that the Preakness field (even without Barbaro) still had Brother Derek(a G1 winner by the way) and sweetnorthernsaint.. both very solid horses that were soundly defeated. Although it's true bernie has yet to be tested against older horses.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

he is also the Urguyanian three year old champion,

i think he was undefeated over there,

FMC would know, as he alerted the group to his first run in america months ago. not many remember though, because to recognize that, you have to forget about yourself for a while.

What is the point of the last part of that sentence?

[Gander]

what we have is a three year old who picked his races to run in, picking ones he knew he could win, and in those races his formidable competition runs lame.

I dont agree at all Sec. He hasnt ducked a single horse and in 12 days he takes on the 1st or 2nd handicap horse in the country. Its not his fault Barbaro broke down and SNS and Brother Derek werent at their best. The Dwyer was simply a prep for the Travers that I agree came up very weak, but its not his fault. Hes doing what any really good 3 year old does from May through Oct, beat up on fellow 3 year olds that are either tired from the Triple Crown or just not all that talented.

I can understand you feeling he is a bit overhyped. But he'll get his big test next weekend and that should answer many of the people doubting him or gloating about him.

[Danzig]

invasor is certainly a bit forgotten. all the press in the east is on bernardini, and in the west you have lava man....leaving invasor as the monkey in the middle. horse has one defeat on an otherwise perfect, globe-trotting record. that one loss was to discreet cat in dubai, and that after leaving south america and going to florida, and then shipping to dubai. he was perfect before that trip, and is perfect since.

i'm looking forward very much to this race. yeah, he beat sun king...maybe he wasn't at his best after the spring he had and 'bounced', yet he still gutted out the win--after all, how many horses ship like that, and then run in the pimlico special for instance? let's not forget, discreet cat was already in dubia, only shipped here (not there and back), and just made HIS return. and then there's henny hughes, shipped over and back. how many starts has he had since arriving? well, you see my point.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

invasor is certainly a bit forgotten. all the press in the east is on bernardini, and in the west you have lava man....leaving invasor as the monkey in the middle. horse has one defeat on an otherwise perfect, globe-trotting record. that one loss was to discreet cat in dubai, and that after leaving south america and going to florida, and then shipping to dubai. he was perfect before that trip, and is perfect since.

i'm looking forward very much to this race. yeah, he beat sun king...maybe he wasn't at his best after the spring he had and 'bounced', yet he still gutted out the win--after all, how many horses ship like that, and then run in the pimlico special for instance? let's not forget, discreet cat was already in dubia, only shipped here (not there and back), and just made HIS return. and then there's henny hughes, shipped over and back. how many starts has he had since arriving? well, you see my point.

I know it. I love all three horses. And how many horses in history have pulled off the Pim Special, Suburban, Whitney and JCGC? To me that would be an absolute amazing feat!!!!!

[Danzig]

hell of a year...i much prefer a thread like this than one denigrating the horses that are running. seems every year their are people who only criticize these horses, and decry their lack of talent and wish only for the good old days.
these are the good old days!!

i remember in years past that people would say the horses weren't as good....and now we compare today's horses to those (good) horses!! go figure.

lava man, bernardini and invasor are having the time of their life. how many races this year between the three of them??? two losses out of the lot!

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

hell of a year...i much prefer a thread like this than one denigrating the horses that are running. seems every year their are people who only criticize these horses, and decry their lack of talent and wish only for the good old days.
these are the good old days!!

i remember in years past that people would say the horses weren't as good....and now we compare today's horses to those (good) horses!! go figure.

lava man, bernardini and invasor are having the time of their life. how many races this year between the three of them??? two losses out of the lot!

I know it. It is too bad either Bernardini or Invasor will have a loss on the the 7th. I wish all three would race this weekend. Boring race year? some say.. this is absolutly fantastic. Just think about it You have the Best from the West and Two Beasts from the East. It doesn't get any better than this.

[Linny]

Invasor was the Uruguayan Triple Crown winner and HOY. He came here, to Kieran's barn in FLA over the winter. From there he went to Dubai where he ran 4th to Discreet Cat in the UAE Derby, his only loss. He returned to the US and won 3 G1's.
Not bad.

[Danzig]

and some healthy competition coming from europe. i'm very anxious to see what david junior can do....change of surface and such, but he's a good horse as well, and you can't ignore him.
this race saturday, race of the year (to this point) imo!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by boswd

We have heard about the great accomplishments of Lava Man, SA "Cap, HOGC, Pac Classic, Bernardini - Preakness, Jim Dandy, Travers. All great accomplishments and very worthy of all the praise they are receiving.

But Invasor is on the verge of, IMO, of accomplishing something just as if not more special - The Pimilco Special, The Suburban, The Whitney and possible the Jockey Club Gold Cup. That is a super horse type year. And yet there is little to no talk of this.

My thoughts exactly, he is getting overlooked. To me he has shown that he is a warrior, Bernardini has looked brilliant but I think people make mistakes in judgement when they see the easy fast wins and just assume he will race even faster when pushed hard due to a challenge. I've seen many times when a horses fastest races figurewise are earned in easy unchallenged gallops.

Also I feel people are making too much of the close win over Sun King. Invasor had the worst of that race and still had enough to hold of Sun King who ran his best race and also had it set up well for him.

I am really looking forward to this race, and this match-up in particular.
I'm taking a stand with Invasor because his figures match up well with Bern's and like I said they were earned more in battles which is more difficult and the price will be relatively attractive. We'll see.

Don't get me wrong Bern has done nothing wrong and I'm not knocking him. If he dispatches Invasor with ease, well there won't be anything anyone can say about him.

[boswd]

[quote=Linny]Invasor was the Uruguayan Triple Crown winner and HOY. He came here, to Kieran's barn in FLA over the winter. From there he went to Dubai where he ran 4th to Discreet Cat in the UAE Derby, his only loss. He returned to the US and won 3 G1's.
Not bad.[/QU

And not just three Grade I's Three of our countr'y more prestigious Grade I's with one more to go which may be the most prestigous one of them all. I think that is much more special feat than what both Lava Man and Bernardini have accomplised.

[SentToStud]

I don't get the "disappointment" people have over the potential BCC field.

The undisputed top East coast and undisputed top West coast older horses as well as the top 3 yo in training plus some super "outsiders" from Europe and here.

I just hope they all hold together and are in top form for the race.

Originally Posted by Gander

what we have is a three year old who picked his races to run in, picking ones he knew he could win, and in those races his formidable competition runs lame.

I dont agree at all Sec. He hasnt ducked a single horse and in 12 days he takes on the 1st or 2nd handicap horse in the country. Its not his fault Barbaro broke down and SNS and Brother Derek werent at their best. The Dwyer was simply a prep for the Travers that I agree came up very weak, but its not his fault. Hes doing what any really good 3 year old does from May through Oct, beat up on fellow 3 year olds that are either tired from the Triple Crown or just not all that talented.

I can understand you feeling he is a bit overhyped. But he'll get his big test next weekend and that should answer many of the people doubting him or gloating about him.

i know its not his fault, but it happened and it diminishes the victory, to say it doesn't is to ignore the obvious.

[Linny]

Invasor may be hampered in peoples' perception by his tendency to win my average margins. He doesn't seem to be the type to "blow them away" but always does as asked.

By example, Tiznow was a grinder, FuPeg- his contemporary- had a flashier style and tends to be more memorable. Let's face it Tiz was a better racehorse.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Hiya Blocky!!! Nice to see you havent changed at all....what does WW2 have to do with Invasor and Bernardini? Wait, I really dont care...