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09-21-2006, 11:40 AM
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Triple Crown for Older Horses
What three stakes races would you use if you were going to create a Triple Crown for Older Horses
Mine would be The SA Handicap The Whitney The Jockey Club Gold Cup
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09-21-2006, 11:46 AM
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09-21-2006, 11:47 AM
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09-21-2006, 11:56 AM
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09-21-2006, 12:00 PM
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09-21-2006, 12:02 PM
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Back in the 90's the CA tracks tried to promote an older horses Triple....but it failed....until Lava Man.
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09-21-2006, 12:10 PM
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09-21-2006, 12:11 PM
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09-21-2006, 12:13 PM
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THe handicap Triple Crown was around for a long time and was comprised of three old and time-honored races in New York - the Met Mile (originally at the more centrally located Morris Park), the Brooklyn (originally run in Brooklyn, at the Gravesend track - Aqueduct's summer show-piece until the mid-1970s, run at distances from 9f to 10f) and the Suburban H (originally at at Sheepshead Bay, run at distances from 9.5f to 12f). When all three races came to be run at one track (Belmont) the stuffing went out of the series.
For modern races, the Met Mile, Suburban, and JC Gold Cup might be acceptable, except they are all again at Belmont. But I would not include any 9f races - the Met is there for the milers, thank you - and I would rather see "Triple Crown" races at real classic distances. The West Coast already has its own handicap triple and Lava Man won it this year - the Santa Anita H, the Hollywood Gold Cup and Pacific Classic.
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09-21-2006, 12:24 PM
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My picks would be 1) Donn Handicap 2) The Big Cap 3) Stephen Foster
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09-21-2006, 12:42 PM
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Met Mile
Whitney Jockey Club Gold Cup
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09-21-2006, 12:52 PM
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okay, subsitute whitney for he jcgc
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09-21-2006, 12:54 PM
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NYRA can have their own triple crown, but they will still get 10,000 people at any race at Belmont.
the only thing they can do today is put up a big bonus, but trainers today will never run their top older horses every 3-4 weeks. if you put more time than that between races, the triple crown loses all appeal. the Breeders Cup Classic has made an older horse triple crown pointless. the way tracks are owned today also makes it impossible. why would any owner/trainer run in such an event with a great horse when they can pick and choose their spots? remember it is all about breeding, and they want grade 1 wins, not some triple crown. the smart guys would always go the easier route. Why do you think Pletcher is so good. he knows how to pick his spots.=
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09-21-2006, 01:13 PM
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I'll go with that. Now, a question... Could there be a TC for turfers? Like a nice one at Toga, one at Fall Belmont, and one at another track?
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09-21-2006, 01:27 PM
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Ther are a lot of races that could be included in a handicap triple crown, others have documented the history so I'll stick to the present. First you have to decide whether you want to pattern the series after the Euro version thereby having the races spaced throughout a season or the US...three within a short period! Do you want it to be international? Throw a grass race in like Canada?
If I could have a dream series, I'd go: Dubai World Cup Pacific Classic BCC of course, with turf: DWC Arc BCC Then again: DWC BCC Japan Cup Or, more traditionally: Big Cap Pimlico Special (if MD can come up with the bucks) BCC
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09-21-2006, 01:30 PM
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 ), the Woodward, and the Jockey Club Gold Cup. PAGING SLEW O' GOLD!
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09-21-2006, 01:41 PM
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Donn Handicap Santa Anita Handicap Pimlico Special Handicap Stephen Foster Handicap Suburban Handicap Hollywood Gold Cup Handicap Whitney Handicap Pacific Classic Stakes Woodward Stakes Jockey Club Gold Cup Each of those ten races are worth 10-7-5-3-1 for the top five finishers. The series culminates with the BC Classic which is worth double points. So you could still win an Eclipse Award off of four races but it would be a lot tougher.
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09-21-2006, 01:45 PM
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09-21-2006, 02:11 PM
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