Jeter vs Dye for MVP

Nostradamus · #1 09-13-2006, 05:47 PM

The NY Press has already given Jeter the MVP. How does Dye not get it?

Jeter- .346ba, 13hr, 92rbi
Dye- .321ba, 41hr, 114rbi

Nostradamus · #2 09-13-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Because it goes beyond numbers. If it were just numbers Ortiz would have won it last year. As I said in another post, each would be a worthy recipient.

It does go past numbers. It goes right to the NY media bias. Arod won it last year for the same reason. Dye will put the White Sox on his back and win the division and they still will give it to their pretty boy Derek Jeter.

timmgirvan · #3 09-13-2006, 06:02 PM

Both are worthy...I'd vote for Jeter for the leadership during this crazy season!

Gander · #4 09-13-2006, 06:06 PM

What about Johan Santana? Just because hes a pitcher doesnt mean hes not a MVP. Would the Twins be in this race w/o him? No way.

#5 09-13-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The NY Press has already given Jeter the MVP. How does Dye not get it?

Jeter- .346ba, 13hr, 92rbi
Dye- .321ba, 41hr, 114rbi

Man talk about a guy who runs his mouth about something he obviously knmows nothing about, geez.
have you even seen a major league game this year?

Allow me to give you the FULL stats

Jeter- .346 ba 13 Hr 92 Rbi 102 runs scored 29 stolen bases .423 obp
Dye- .322 ba 41 hr 112 rbi 93 runs scored 7 stolen bases .388 obp

So where do we begin to educate this poor clueless soul? First of all Jeter is outhitting him by 24 points and leading him by 35 points in on base percentage. Jeter also has 9 more runs scored as wellk as 22 more stolen bases.
While Dye does have more HR, if you really look at it Jeter is getting much more productive at bats, I say this because he hits 2nd in the lineup as opposed to cleanup or 3rd like Dye does which gives Jeter far fewer chances at Rbi's(as any educated baseball fan knows) yet he has 92 RBI's already.

Jeter has also delivered many clutch hits that won games and his fielding has been great.
Jeter's fielding percentage is .976
Dye's is .982

Thats pretty unreal considering that Dye plays right field and has FAR fewer chances to field balls as opposed to playing short and getting em hit at you all night long.

Its pretty obvious that of the two fine years that Jeter's really sticks out as being more productive and the overall better of the two both in the field and at the plate.

#6 09-13-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

What about Johan Santana? Just because hes a pitcher doesnt mean hes not a MVP. Would the Twins be in this race w/o him? No way.

Tim,
Pitchers and DH's have no right ever getting that award. That award should be for every day players who play the field as well as hit. And you get the absurd statement of the day award for arguing for any pitcher before Mariano. You honestly think there is a more valuable pitcher in baseball than Mariano? Do you know any GM who would rather have Santana on his team over mariano? WOW!!

#7 09-13-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

It does go past numbers. It goes right to the NY media bias. Arod won it last year for the same reason. Dye will put the White Sox on his back and win the division and they still will give it to their pretty boy Derek Jeter.

Yeah ok, sure. Dye will put them on his back. LOL!!! he better get started damn soon!!!!
Right now Dye and the boys are on the outside looking in at the playoff teams and the Yanks are cruising on a ten game lead.

#8 09-13-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Another who has had an amazing year. Here's my problem with that, as Joe Morgan also said yesterday. Santana will pitch in approximately 30-35 games this year. That leaves 130 or so other games, where he has no impact on the game at all. He should win the CY in a landslide, and I agree the Twins wouldn't even be in the race without him, but neither would the Yankees and White Sox. Morgan also went back to Pedro's 1999 year in which he put up better numbers than Santana, and he only finished 5th in the voting.

Ditto, and do any of you honestly feel hes more valuable than Mariano? Blah. I dont any manager alive who would rather have santana over mariano.

Nostradamus · #9 09-13-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Man talk about a guy who runs his mouth about something he obviously knmows nothing about, geez.
have you even seen a major league game this year?

Allow me to give you the FULL stats

Jeter- .346 ba 13 Hr 92 Rbi 102 runs scored 29 stolen bases .423 obp
Dye- .322 ba 41 hr 112 rbi 93 runs scored 7 stolen bases .388 obp

So where do we begin to educate this poor clueless soul? First of all Jeter is outhitting him by 24 points and leading him by 35 points in on base percentage. Jeter also has 9 more runs scored as wellk as 22 more stolen bases.
While Dye does have more HR, if you really look at it Jeter is getting much more productive at bats, I say this because he hits 2nd in the lineup as opposed to cleanup or 3rd like Dye does which gives Jeter far fewer chances at Rbi's(as any educated baseball fan knows) yet he has 92 RBI's already.

Jeter has also delivered many clutch hits that won games and his fielding has been great.
Jeter's fielding percentage is .976
Dye's is .982

Thats pretty unreal considering that Dye plays right field and has FAR fewer chances to field balls as opposed to playing short and getting em hit at you all night long.

Its pretty obvious that of the two fine years that Jeter's really sticks out as being more productive and the overall better of the two both in the field and at the plate.

Where is slugging percentage and OPS? Or did you conveniently forget those? What a surprise you forgot those.

Dye- OPS 1.025 Jeter OPS .915
Dye-Slugging .637 Jeter Slugging .492

Dye is in the best division in baseball. He has 28 more hr's and he does not have a $200 million dollar payroll surrounding him.

Nostradamus · #10 09-13-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

100% correct Oracle. Nostra, as usual running his mouth about things he has no idea about.

Are you going to get down on your knees for Oracle now or is your mouth already full?

Nostradamus · #11 09-13-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah ok, sure. Dye will put them on his back. LOL!!! he better get started damn soon!!!!
Right now Dye and the boys are on the outside looking in at the playoff teams and the Yanks are cruising on a ten game lead.

THAT IS FEAR I SENSE IN YOUR VOICE. He was 2-5 today with 2rbis in their 9-0 win over anaheim. With Minnesota now done due to the big injury today, Chicago will walk to the world series. Just like last year.

Nostradamus · #12 09-13-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

That's funny, did your brother tell you to say that?

Can you repeat that? I think you are mumbling or there must be something in your mouth.

Nostradamus · #13 09-13-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What exactly does the Yankees payroll have to do with anything?

Last I checked the more money you have the better players you can buy. See Abrieu. No other team could do that. It doesn't matter, the Yankees will not beat Chicago. I wish they did because El Duque would win game 7 striking out Arod with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, down one run.

Nostradamus · #14 09-13-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Another fantastic prediction, that I will be sure to bet against.

I will gladly take your money iwhen the Yankees and White Sox play in the first round.

Nostradamus · #15 09-13-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, get a life. Your predictions are sh*t. You talk freely about things that you have no idea about, and are almost always wrong.

I am right more than wrong. Too bad you missed out on Nobiz like Shobiz. Some of us didn't. Your lover Oracle could have filled you in considering Frank Martin told him about the horse. He was smart though and kept it to himself.

Nostradamus · #16 09-13-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Okay, then you can take my money and bet more 3-5 shots that lose.

Those 3-5 shots being? I don't ever bet less than even money, that included Showing Up at Arlington.

I guess you missed my $24 horse I gave out in the last at belmont on Saturday or the $11 Brilliant win at Delaware.

Nostradamus · #17 09-13-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So Jeter is having a good year because the Yankees are good? Hmmm, that's interesting. More money means more high priced talent...that's it. Doesn't translate to wins. Wanna make a bet the Yankees beat the White Sox, or do you have to run it by big brother first?

Absolutely. Name the amount. My brother knows horses, not baseball. That is why he is a Phillies fan.

Nostradamus · #18 09-13-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How do you know I didn't have the horse? I didn't see you giving it out. I see you giving out 3-5 almost every day, that for the most part have been losing. Good for you, you gave out two horses. And then you chest pumped. I have given out a winner on here, but I didn't show everyone how great I was. You're a joke.

3-5 shots that lose everyday. Please show me them? I have given out more winners than losers, one paid $24 and the other $11 the other day. Atleast I give out picks and can take losing. Where are your brilliant picks? Yes, I gave out Brilliant for $11 the other day too.

#19 09-13-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

West Virginia, Klepto Cat, Theatrical Glory. You want more?

This guy is a text book loser.
hes obviously a nothing and a nobody, people who have to explain how "their brother knows this and that" are always losers themselves.
Guys such a loser that he admitted here his brother won't let him use his name.
At least his brother has enough sense to do that.

#20 09-13-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I know, I don't even know why I tried to talk about anything with him. It's hard to talk to a moron, who knows nothing about what they are talking about.

I wonder what his brother does when guys take him by the throat and start shaking him around?
My guess is nothing but laugh.