Great old time 2-year-olds

[The Indomitable DrugS]

A column about the greatest 2yo's of all-time from after the days of Hindoo, Colin, Sysonby, and Man O' War's career suggests that Tremont was probably still widely considered the best 2yo ever.



Tremont was 13-for-13 as a 2yo - winning 13 stakes races - before breaking down. He never raced again and retired undefeated. Hall of Famer's Hanover and Kingston were both from his same crop.


The other interesting thing to me was the writer did not even rate Regret as one of his six best 2yo fillies.

[Cannon Shell]

Maybe that was the Joe Drape of the turn of the century?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe that was the Joe Drape of the turn of the century?

you dont even know the person and who have the nerve to call them Joe Drape, that is like the meaniest thing you can call a writer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe that was the Joe Drape of the turn of the century?

Would Joe Drape ever say something like this ....?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

you dont even know the person and who have the nerve to call them Joe Drape, that is like the meaniest thing you can call a writer.

I wouldnt have done it had either of them been alive

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Would Joe Drape ever say something like this ....?

Joe Drape would have been knocking something or someone on his next crusade

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He did a Youtube video on his business's website.

http://custommadedrapes.ca/

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Interesting start to a typical brutally long-winded Vosburgh column about the dubious state of the handicap division going into the 1920 racing season:



If the print is too small - basically, everyone and their mother age four and up was either sore, broke down, going abroad, or retiring to stud.... except for three horses in the same stable.

As it turned out - Sir Barton wasn't as sore as feared and came back to make five starts between April 19th and May 4th alone.

Exterminator basically appeared to emerge from a very troubled division - and never got a crack at Man O' War - but the rest of MOW's badly maligned newly turned 3yo crop was his to feast on after MOW's retirement.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Interesting start to a typical brutally long-winded Vosburgh column about the dubious state of the handicap division going into the 1920 racing season:



If the print is too small - basically, everyone and their mother age four and up was either sore, broke down, going abroad, or retiring to stud.... except for three horses in the same stable.

As it turned out - Sir Barton wasn't as sore as feared and came back to make five starts between April 19th and May 4th alone.

Exterminator basically appeared to emerge from a very troubled division - and never got a crack at Man O' War - but the rest of MOW's badly maligned newly turned 3yo crop was his to feast on after MOW's retirement.

Could you imagine if Exterminator had gone in the Sir Barton-MOW match race? They tried to get him, but I think his owner wanted at least 1 3/4 miles if memory serves. Kinda crazy that only one horse faced MOW in the Belmont. It was 11 furlongs that year in 2:14 1/5. I doubt MOW was hauling too fast to beat Donnaconna (I'm guessing he was gearing down at that point), but what were his last couple fractions?

Kinda hard to tell what he could've been capable of at 1 1/2 if he tried to go as fast as he could. He cruised at 10F to 2:03 and 2:01 4/5 with large win margins and carried 129lbs for the latter. Could MOW've done 9 lengths better at 126lbs in the Travers against Upset? (Basically could he have met or surpassed the 2:00 mark?) I know John P. Grier notoriously pushed him in the Dwyer, but JPG was never the same again, and Upset wasn't really capable of pushing MOW to his top gear on a fairly run race. MOW carried 130 at age 2 to Upset's 115 and got beaten in a 1:11 1/5 for 6F after everything that could go wrong for him did. I was just looking at the Belmont times and thinking about what MOW could've accomplished keeping in mind Secretariat's 2:24, Easy Goer's 2:26, etc.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Man O' War's Belmont was a very fast race. Would translate to about 120 Beyer territory. His Preakness win certainly wasn't as fast.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Chart:



The 2nd place finisher was 0-for-15 as a 4yo - losing his fair share in two, three, four horse fields. He retired 6-for-41 lifetime. Note that he basically just about equalled the track record in this race despite being defeated 20 lengths... and probably was under slightly more restraint than Man O' War.





Projected 120 Beyer for MOW - mid 90's Beyer for 2nd place. Mid 80's for the Coaching Club American Oaks winner - who beat a maiden by 2 lengths and won "under restraint" at same distance in a 3 horse field.