New Illinois Board rule limits ADW access for IL players

dpkovalesky · #1 07-15-2010, 10:30 PM

Whats up with this?!

Due to a new Illinois Racing Board Rule that went into effect on July 12 which caps fees that tracks located outside of Illinois may charge for Illinois ADW wagers, the following tracks will not be available for wagering by Illinois ADW customers.

Belmont, Calder, Del Mar, Evangeline Downs, Hollywood, Laurel, Lone Star, Los Alamitos, Louisiana Downs, Ohio 7&7, Presque Isle Downs, River Downs, Sacramento, Sam Houston, Santa Rosa and Saratoga. (List includes tracks running through July - subject to change)

This is required to comply with Illinois Racing Board Rule 325.60 (Organization Licensee Simulcast Signals and Commission Fees). If you would like to voice a complaint regarding the new rule which prevents you from accessing all of the tracks you desire, please contact the Illinois Racing Board at IRB.Info@illinois.gov or (312) 814.2600.

Gate Dancer · #2 07-16-2010, 07:47 AM

Can't we all just get along?????????????

Bad deal for the Illinois folks.................

#3 07-16-2010, 07:51 AM

joeydb · #4 07-16-2010, 09:39 AM

That sucks. And I thought our signal dispute was bad in the Mid-Atlantic states. A law like that is far worse since it will not be easily changed.

ArlJim78 · #5 07-16-2010, 11:49 AM

I just got off the phone with the IRB. They said "oh my are we hearing about this today. We've been getting calls all morning".

they set the cap at 5%, knowing that there would be an issue, and now today they are surprised to hear such anger?

They said the Illinois horsemen didn't want the money going out of state to the ones that charge more than 5%.

I think I'm going on strike, and won't place any bets until this is settled. I'm so sick of getting jacked around. This is the only industry I can think of where the customer is continuously treated like a punching bag.

Cannon Shell · #6 07-17-2010, 07:29 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114833.html

The Illinois Racing Board approved the cap in January as a way to protect the amount of revenue from account wagering that flows to Illinois horsemen and racetracks. Although many racetracks and horsemen objected to the cap, the rule went into effect after a 45-day comment period in which many racing industry officials said they would support the cap only if it were raised above the current market rate for premium signals.

10 pnt move up · #7 07-18-2010, 01:01 PM

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

#8 07-18-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

i am sure you meant all online wagering is illegal in AZ, but then i have 5 OTBs within minutes of my house. I think we have over 45 in the PHX metro area and new ones opening every week. John Kyl was the one who got the law done here and is the one that is still trying to outlaw online betting nation wide.

herkhorse · #9 07-18-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arizonadave

i am sure you meant all online wagering is illegal in AZ, but then i have 5 OTBs within minutes of my house. I think we have over 45 in the PHX metro area and new ones opening every week. John Kyl was the one who got the law done here and is the one that is still trying to outlaw online betting nation wide.

yea, but how many tracks can you play at those otb's?

10 pnt move up · #10 07-18-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

yea, but how many tracks can you play at those otb's?

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

There is an OTB a mile a way. Its a total sh it hole. Forget about having access to Forumulator and a laptop, they will throw you out. Of course the place has a 2 drink minimum or 10 dollar fee, but heck they do let you bet your money!

F Arizona, and in general horse racing.

I used to bet a LOT of money. Now they barely get a dime from me. I still handicap and follow many races though, its a better puzzle than the sunday crossword.

Cannon Shell · #11 07-18-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

So what you are saying is that CDI which has been one of the leading proponents of increasing the price of the signal decided to support a law that would do the opposite?

Or that the AZ horseman or tracks have enough pull to influence a US senator?

Uh ok.

herkhorse · #12 07-18-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

I spend 5 weeks in Tucson every year, my experience is they let you bet Turf Paradise, and maybe one or two other tracks- if that.

10 pnt move up · #13 07-18-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

I spend 5 weeks in Tucson every year, my experience is they let you bet Turf Paradise, and maybe one or two other tracks- if that.

Tucson bets through Rilito I imagine and probably is more limited.

I usually can get Belmont and Calder at midday, CD and Kee about the same. It depends on what time of the year due to daylight savings.

You can go to Turf and bet full cards, they have windows open around 10am.

10 pnt move up · #14 07-18-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what you are saying is that CDI which has been one of the leading proponents of increasing the price of the signal decided to support a law that would do the opposite?

Or that the AZ horseman or tracks have enough pull to influence a US senator?

Uh ok.

Your doing this just to be a pain right?

You really think that Kyl had anything to do with AZ House Bill 1040? How could he? I never mentioned Kyl.

They had enough pull though to influence the vote in the AZ legislature. Do you know what business the owner of TuP came from, where he got his money? Think Las Vegas in the 50's.

I have no clue what went on in Ill, but I can tell you in Az all the horseman and the track said how they did not want to curtail the internet wagering, blah blah but behind the scenes they were pushing it, this is not a guess on my part.

herkhorse · #15 07-18-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Tucson bets through Rilito I imagine and probably is more limited.

I usually can get Belmont and Calder at midday, CD and Kee about the same. It depends on what time of the year due to daylight savings.

You can go to Turf and bet full cards, they have windows open around 10am.

Yea, if Rillito is open, you can't bet anything else. Love that track though.

#16 07-18-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

There is an OTB a mile a way. Its a total sh it hole. Forget about having access to Forumulator and a laptop, they will throw you out. Of course the place has a 2 drink minimum or 10 dollar fee, but heck they do let you bet your money!

F Arizona, and in general horse racing.

I used to bet a LOT of money. Now they barely get a dime from me. I still handicap and follow many races though, its a better puzzle than the sunday crossword.

i live in Mesa and never have been to an OTB that has a drink minimum or a charge. I use a computor when i go and have never had a problem at any of them. i do know in Chicago, that some of the OTBs charge at the door and any bets made on a Chicago track has a charge on it, you dont get track prices. Today the OTBs in PHX have 18 tracks to bet, last one being Los Al

10 pnt move up · #17 07-18-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arizonadave

i live in Mesa and never have been to an OTB that has a drink minimum or a charge. I use a computor when i go and have never had a problem at any of them. i do know in Chicago, that some of the OTBs charge at the door and any bets made on a Chicago track has a charge on it, you dont get track prices. Today the OTBs in PHX have 18 tracks to bet, last one being Los Al

I used to work for TuP a long while ago, we used to fight cell phones being brought into the place.

I used to work at McDuffy's and we always charged the patrons who did not buy or drink and only bet. I can see it from the business aspect but it was their choice to install an OTB. I think its a bad business decision.

#18 07-18-2010, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I used to work for TuP a long while ago, we used to fight cell phones being brought into the place.

I used to work at McDuffy's and we always charged the patrons who did not buy or drink and only bet. I can see it from the business aspect but it was their choice to install an OTB. I think its a bad business decision.

if it was the McDuffys in Tempe, i was there 4-5 days a week and dont rememeber being charged. but i always got a drink. Loved the place and was sorry to see it sold for business offices.

onebadbeast · #19 07-18-2010, 11:30 PM

hey I.R.B...you have to get up a little earlier to get the jump on me, rat f...

10 pnt move up · #20 07-19-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by arizonadave

if it was the McDuffys in Tempe, i was there 4-5 days a week and dont rememeber being charged. but i always got a drink. Loved the place and was sorry to see it sold for business offices.

I worked there about 15 months from 93-94, they started it my last 4 months or so.

Yes I know the owners and where happy they cashed out at the height and then opened the chandler place.