don't ask, don't tell

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rss=rss_nation


pentagon now supports ending don't ask....as for those who like to play dems vs reps, in this case it's a dem from Mo who is blocking a vote.

'A House bill that would overturn "don't ask, don't tell" has 187 co-sponsors, but Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.), a powerful committee chairman, opposes it and has not let it come up for a vote.'

'The Senate, which invited Gates and Mullen to testify Tuesday, is moving cautiously. Worried that they lack the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster, Senate leaders said they might try to add a temporary moratorium on discharges of gay service members to a defense spending bill, whose passage would require only majority approval.

President Obama said in his State of the Union address last week that he wants to work with Congress to repeal the law, but he has resisted pleas by gay rights groups to sign an executive order that would instantly mandate a change. On Tuesday, Vice President Biden promised to end the "don't ask, don't tell" policy by the end of the year.'

i think in this case, since the military supports repealing it, that obama shouldn't bother *****-footing around and should just sign an order. don't let politics hold it up.


edit-you can't say pu$$y-footing! lol

[pointman]

This is one situation where I certainly support those looking to repeal this ridiculous ban, I would hope that this country has come far enough along to realize that sexual preference has absolutely nothing to do with serving in the military. The faster the better.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i think they should be able to join and be helpfull in some way.

[Nascar1966]

Being a retired Navy person I have no issues with ending this policy. I have worked with people that I knew were lesbians and I had no problems at all working with them. In the work enviroment they never bragged about it and they never bragged about it outside of work. They were some of the greatest people to work with, always pulling thier share of the workload and never whining about. I never had a person who was a homosexual hit on my thank goodness, if they would hit on my I would definitately report them and hope it would be taken care at the lowest level possible.

[Riot]

Did you see John McCain at the hearings? That two-faced liar. During his past he has always said, "if the generals want DADT repealed, I will support them". That is when the generals in power were homophobic fools.

Then in the hearings, (Monday?) He just heard a general tell him that it's time to repeal DADT - and now he's backpedaling. Two-faced hater.

They could do this immediately. Done, over with. Stop lying in our military. What the heck is the big deal? What are they so afraid of?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I never had a person who was a homosexual hit on my thank goodness, if they would hit on my I would definitately report them and hope it would be taken care at the lowest level possible.

You report straight people who hit on you, too, right?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you see John McCain at the hearings? That two-faced liar. During his past he has always said, "if the generals want DADT repealed, I will support them". That is when the generals in power were homophobic fools.

Then in the hearings, (Monday?) He just heard a general tell him that it's time to repeal DADT - and now he's backpedaling. Two-faced hater.

They could do this immediately. Done, over with. Stop lying in our military. What the heck is the big deal? What are they so afraid of?

as someone who spent most of his life in the military 10 of them as a prisoner of war. getting the shiet beat out of him..ill speak for him.. riot shut the phuck up.he can waiver if he wants. that ****** you love so much as president does it every other breath..

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Being a retired Navy person I have no issues with ending this policy. I have worked with people that I knew were lesbians and I had no problems at all working with them. In the work enviroment they never bragged about it and they never bragged about it outside of work. They were some of the greatest people to work with, always pulling thier share of the workload and never whining about. I never had a person who was a homosexual hit on my thank goodness, if they would hit on my I would definitately report them and hope it would be taken care at the lowest level possible.

Wow.

You began that "paragraph" with such a surprising first sentence that I actually had high hopes for the post as a whole.

Oh well.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

as someone who spent most of his life in the military 10 of them as a prisoner of war. getting the shiet beat out of him..ill speak for him.. riot shut the phuck up.he can waiver if he wants. that ****** you love so much as president does it every other breath..

Well, you shut the phuck up, too, Hooves, as you have nothing concrete to offer on the subject but insult. Said as the ex-wife of a Viet vet with permanent disability.

Edit: Washington Post, today:

Retired Army Gen. Colin L. Powell, who opposed allowing gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the armed forces when he was the nation's top military officer, said Wednesday that he supports efforts to lift the ban on their service.

"Attitudes and circumstances have changed" in the 17 years since Congress, with strong military backing, mandated the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, Powell said in a statement issued by his office. Noting that he has said for the past two years that Congress should review the legislation, Powell said he "fully supports the approach" outlined in testimony Tuesday by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you see John McCain at the hearings? That two-faced liar. During his past he has always said, "if the generals want DADT repealed, I will support them". That is when the generals in power were homophobic fools.

Then in the hearings, (Monday?) He just heard a general tell him that it's time to repeal DADT - and now he's backpedaling. Two-faced hater.

They could do this immediately. Done, over with. Stop lying in our military. What the heck is the big deal? What are they so afraid of?

i cant look at that dude anymore.......he creeps me out. what hs been seen, cant be unseen.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

i cant look at that dude anymore.......he creeps me out. what hs been seen, cant be unseen.

He moves like a TRex with those arms, pretty comedy

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You report straight people who hit on you, too, right?

Absolutely. Funny thing is I was never hit on while in the Navy. I must of been a pretty boring person.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wow.

You began that "paragraph" with such a surprising first sentence that I actually had high hopes for the post as a whole.

Oh well.

Whats your beef about the post? Just curious.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, you shut the phuck up, too, Hooves, as you have nothing concrete to offer on the subject but insult. Said as the ex-wife of a Viet vet with permanent disability.

what did they feed you at the hanoi hilton..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

what did they feed you at the hanoi hilton..

When you quote someone, you might read it, first.

John McCain is an American hero for his service to our country. As an American Senator, he is also a two-faced liar.

John McCain speaking to Iowa State college students October 2006:

MCCAIN: We have to have the most effective and professional military that we can possibly obtain. I listen to people like General Colin Powell, Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and literally every military leader that I know. And they testified before Congress that they felt the “don‘t ask, don‘t tell” policy was the most appropriate way to conduct ourselves in the military. A policy that has been effective. It has worked.
And I understand the opposition to it, and I‘ve had these debates and discussions, but the day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, Senator, we ought to change the policy, then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it because those leaders in the military are the ones we give the responsibility to.

John McCain June 2009 interview:

MCCAIN: My opinion is shaped by the view of the leaders of the military. The reason why I supported the policy to start with is because General Colin Powell, who was then the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the one that strongly recommended we adopt this policy in the Clinton administration. I have not heard General Powell or any of the other military leaders reverse their position, just like when on other issues, that people are expert and knowledgeable of, I rely on their opinion. But this is unique. These military leaders are responsible for the very lives of the men and women under their command, and that's why I am especially guided, to a large degree, by their views.

John McCain, outraged the military leaders have now actually changed their minds, February 2010 hearings on DADT repeal:

MCCAIN: I'm deeply disappointed in your statement, Secretary Gates. I was around here in 1993 and was engaged in the debates. And what we did in 1993 is we looked at the issue and we looked at the affect on the military and then we reached a conclusion and then we enacted into law. Your statement is 'question before us is not whether the military prepares to make this change, but how we best prepare for it.' It would be far more appropriate, I say with great respect, to determine whether repealing this law is appropriate and what effects it would have on the readiness and effectiveness of the military before deciding on whether we should repeal the law or not and fortunately it is an act of Congress and it requires the agreement of Congress in order to repeal it. And so your statement obvious as one that is clearly biased, without the view of Congress being taken into consideration...Again you are embarking on saying it's not whether the military prepares to make the change but how we best prepare for it, without ever hearing from members of Congress, without hearing from the members of the Joint Chiefs and, of course, without taking into considerations all the ramifications of this law. Well, I'm happy to say we still have a Congress of the United States that would have to pass a law to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, despite your efforts to repeal it, in many respects, by fiat.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Riot

You report straight people who hit on you, too, right?

i was thinking the same thing. i can't believe this issue still exists. i was in the navy over 25 years ago. there were gay guys on our ship but no one ever said anything. we kind of knew who they were too. and one of them did hit on me , i was like 19 years old at the time. the guy was 15 years older than me and a vietnam vet. theres no way i was going to report on him. for what? to ruin his career? plus, once he found out i was straight he set me up with numerous bartenders and waitresses. the gay guys are great with women(they loved him) and the guy became my friend. 2010 and folks are still all bunched up about it, thats sad. people care too much about other peoples business.

I think they should be allowed to cook, clean, and design clothing for the military.


Oh stop it.

[Danzig]

i'm not surprised to see that mccain is stepping back from the previous position. he's old for one, and like the article said, you can see a divide that exists pretty much along generational lines.
then there's the fact he's got an opponent in the upcoming elections, and perhaps is catering to a conservative bloc of voters-like any/every politician, he's looking to himself and what he needs to say to keep his seat first and foremost.
fact is, he's probably not lying now-it's just coming out now that he was lying then. he probably never expected to see anyone come out in favor of repealing what was essentially a bad law, so he said the pc thing at the time.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Riot

You report straight people who hit on you, too, right?

Only if it ever happened

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not surprised to see that mccain is stepping back from the previous position. he's old for one, and like the article said, you can see a divide that exists pretty much along generational lines.
then there's the fact he's got an opponent in the upcoming elections, and perhaps is catering to a conservative bloc of voters-like any/every politician, he's looking to himself and what he needs to say to keep his seat first and foremost.
fact is, he's probably not lying now-it's just coming out now that he was lying then. he probably never expected to see anyone come out in favor of repealing what was essentially a bad law, so he said the pc thing at the time.

Riots quote didnt really show McCain backing off or changing any position on DADT. He was pointedly defending Congress' authority on repealing the law because Gates was saying that it was gonna happen and they were already making changes prior to Congress actually acting on it. In other words acting like a politician.

Plus he says he isnt changing position, lol

McCain spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan said her boss has not shifted his position.

She noted that Mullen said repeatedly that he was speaking for himself and not for the military, and she dismissed Gates's testimony because he was expressing the Obama administration's line.

"There has to be a determination from our military leaders that they think it is a good idea to change the policy; then, of course, Senator McCain will listen to them."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020202588.html