Mandatory Healthcare?

[dellinger63]

From what I understand as the bill stands ALL will be forced to buy health insurance under a private program and that I can agree with.

Couple obvious questions though?

Suppose a person currently uninsured BECAUSE premiums are too high due to a pre-existing condition say leukemia is now forced to purchase insurance. Are we going to jail them and then provide them care in the Fed big house or just fine the crap out of them? Will illegals, like auntie Obama be forced to buy insurance and how will anyone keep track of them when supposedly we can't do it now? How about the unemployed, or families living paycheck to paycheck? Will they be forced to reduce say their food intake or go w/o electricity, water etc.?

Or like always will the workingman and healthy be forced to subsidize above situations in the form of higher premiums?

Can't wait for someone to get to Leavenworth and be asked, "What are you in for?" and answer "not having health insurance. What time is dinner and can you call the Dr. my belly hurts"

and those poor Dr.'s Riot speaks of who don't take insurance. Will they be forced into a new career? LMAO

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

From what I understand as the bill stands ALL will be forced to buy health insurance under a private program and that I can agree with.

Couple obvious questions though?

Suppose a person currently uninsured BECAUSE premiums are too high due to a pre-existing condition say leukemia is now forced to purchase insurance. Are we going to jail them and then provide them care in the Fed big house or just fine the crap out of them? Will illegals, like auntie Obama be forced to buy insurance and how will anyone keep track of them when supposedly we can't do it now? How about the unemployed, or families living paycheck to paycheck? Will they be forced to reduce say their food intake or go w/o electricity, water etc.?

Or like always will the workingman and healthy be forced to subsidize above situations in the form of higher premiums?

Can't wait for someone to get to Leavenworth and be asked, "What are you in for?" and answer "not having health insurance. What time is dinner and can you call the Dr. my belly hurts"

and those poor Dr.'s Riot speaks of who don't take insurance. Will they be forced into a new career? LMAO

no dell there will be a fine i think and i think the fine is $750 per yr

which kinda makes it a tax increase on people who don't have health insurance and can't afford it now or in the new program

[alysheba4]

yeah great, this president is beyond a train wreck.......

[SOREHOOF]

Doesn't the Constitution protect the Citizens from being forced by the Federal Government to buy a particular "product" under threat of fine or imprisonment? This is bad news for Freedom and Liberty. It can still be stopped, but it doesn't look good.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

commie..

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

no dell there will be a fine i think and i think the fine is $750 per yr

which kinda makes it a tax increase on people who don't have health insurance and can't afford it now or in the new program

Who pays for people who can't/won't carry insurance..we all do. So why the opposition to mandatory insurance? You guys all oppose mandatory car insurance too? I didn't hear all the commie talk when every state in the Union made that mandatory?

oh yeah..it's Obama now so it doesn't matter WHAT he does...it's wrong

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Who pays for people who can't/won't carry insurance..we all do. So why the opposition to mandatory insurance? You guys all oppose mandatory car insurance too? I didn't hear all the commie talk when every state in the Union made that mandatory?

oh yeah..it's Obama now so it doesn't matter WHAT he does...it's wrong

all taxpayers do

it's not mandatory when someone will just rather pay the fine for the yr $750

explain to me how it is mandatory when the fine is less than the cost of coverage

bob instead of a fine do you think we should throw people into jail who don't buy it - what is your solution on this problem that will happen

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Who pays for people who can't/won't carry insurance..we all do. So why the opposition to mandatory insurance? You guys all oppose mandatory car insurance too? I didn't hear all the commie talk when every state in the Union made that mandatory?
oh yeah..it's Obama now so it doesn't matter WHAT he does...it's wrong

I missed the law where everyone must purchase a car.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Who pays for people who can't/won't carry insurance..we all do. So why the opposition to mandatory insurance? You guys all oppose mandatory car insurance too? I didn't hear all the commie talk when every state in the Union made that mandatory?

oh yeah..it's Obama now so it doesn't matter WHAT he does...it's wrong

Not all states have mandatory auto insurance. N.H. for one only requires it if there is a loan on the car.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

From what I understand as the bill stands ALL will be forced to buy health insurance under a private program and that I can agree with.

Couple obvious questions though?

Suppose a person currently uninsured BECAUSE premiums are too high due to a pre-existing condition say leukemia is now forced to purchase insurance. Are we going to jail them and then provide them care in the Fed big house or just fine the crap out of them? Will illegals, like auntie Obama be forced to buy insurance and how will anyone keep track of them when supposedly we can't do it now? How about the unemployed, or families living paycheck to paycheck? Will they be forced to reduce say their food intake or go w/o electricity, water etc.?

Or like always will the workingman and healthy be forced to subsidize above situations in the form of higher premiums?

Can't wait for someone to get to Leavenworth and be asked, "What are you in for?" and answer "not having health insurance. What time is dinner and can you call the Dr. my belly hurts"

and those poor Dr.'s Riot speaks of who don't take insurance. Will they be forced into a new career? LMAO

Take a good look at MA. if you think it's such a good thing. We have 6 hospitals bringing lawsuits against the state for not paying the promised medicare reimbursements. They may go bankrupt. There are still long waits in the emergency rooms and at the doctor's offices. Insurance premiums have gone up 42 percent. I chose to get catastrophic only insurance when this mandatory insurance went through. It was not good enough so I would still have to pay the fines. So now I pay the fines (alot cheaper than the monthly insurance) and continue to pay cash when I need to see a doctor (which is what I did before 2006).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

oh yeah..it's Obama now so it doesn't matter WHAT he does...it's wrong

C'mon, that is a cop out. The fact is that he does a lot of stuff that many of us dont care for. It isnt personal, its business.

I cant think of much that he has done that I agree with or will benefit the country IMO. Should I just lie and say I think he is doing things that I like? The fact is that just about any democrat would do things that i dont care for the majority of the time.

You guys will get your chance to be on the other side of the line in a few years...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Take a good look at MA. if you think it's such a good thing. We have 6 hospitals bringing lawsuits against the state for not paying the promised medicare reimbursements. They may go bankrupt. There are still long waits in the emergency rooms and at the doctor's offices. Insurance premiums have gone up 42 percent. I chose to get catastrophic only insurance when this mandatory insurance went through. It was not good enough so I would still have to pay the fines. So now I pay the fines (alot cheaper than the monthly insurance) and continue to pay cash when I need to see a doctor (which is what I did before 2006).

Why should we believe your personal story when we can google like Riot? STOP MAKING SENSE!!!

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why should we believe your personal story when we can google like Riot? STOP MAKING SENSE!!!

Forgive me. I forgot my place.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

C'mon, that is a cop out. The fact is that he does a lot of stuff that many of us dont care for. It isnt personal, its business.

I cant think of much that he has done that I agree with or will benefit the country IMO. Should I just lie and say I think he is doing things that I like? The fact is that just about any democrat would do things that i dont care for the majority of the time.

You guys will get your chance to be on the other side of the line in a few years...

We all know it's the damn doctors. If those greedy mfckr's didn't make so much money the whole country could have healthcare for free. But forget this meaningless crap.....how in god's name did the Dolphin's lose to Vince Young?

[Riot]

Some of you guys don't seem familiar with what is actually in either the House or the Senate bills (or the current Reid amendment to the Senate bill)

There are plenty of real summaries of actual content (not op-ed panic attacks) available today.

These explain how people who don't have health insurance now will be able to afford it, and how that will come about under the Senate bill (which has yet to be reconciled with the House bill, don't forget that).

The point is to give 31 million people, who do not have health insurance now - and whom we currently pay for as they tend to use mainly the ER, don't get healthcare until they are really sick, etc - affordable health insurance, by lowering the cost to where they can afford it.

Not to fine them because they are low income and can't afford health insurance

Unfortunately the loss of a public option leaves about 10 million still uninsured, but I'm sure that will be fixed in the future, after this initial health care reform passes.

Here is the Senate bill:
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111...FRrJsgodAGJOKA

[Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

yeah great, this president is beyond a train wreck.......

The President? If speaking of healthcare reform, you might rather speak of your elected officials in Congress and the Senate.

Specifically the GOP which contributed less than nothing but obstruction to this whole process, the Democratic Senator from Nebraska who stalled the Senate bill all by himself to obtain pork for his state (he's a whore, and now we know how much he costs); and the Senator from Connecticut who works for the major insurance companies who have their head offices in his state - the state designed to be most user-friendly to insurance companies regarding lack of regulation.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

all taxpayers do

it's not mandatory when someone will just rather pay the fine for the yr $750

explain to me how it is mandatory when the fine is less than the cost of coverage

Gales, I think if you wade through the Senate bill, the fine maxes out at 2% of income for those of a certain low income level range, but the health insurance available to them (through non-profit exchanges) will more reasonable to obtain than paying the fine for them.

And those less than a certain income level are not "mandated" to have insurance.

Someone reminded in an op-ed that the initial 1964 Lyndon Johnson Medicare covered only widows and orphans. There have been two major adjustments to Medicare since, to where it now covers most elderly Americans.

Healthcare reform, like Medicare, will be adjusted over time to do what it needs to do, in a better manner than now implemented (not leaving out 10 million uninsured)

Right now, the CBO predicts it (the Senate version if implemented unchanged) will be clearly cost-effective, and reduce the budget deficit over the next 20 years by billions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why should we believe your personal story when we can google like Riot? STOP MAKING SENSE!!!

If you googled a bit, you might learn the earth is no longer considered flat

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Take a good look at MA. if you think it's such a good thing. We have 6 hospitals bringing lawsuits against the state for not paying the promised medicare reimbursements. They may go bankrupt. There are still long waits in the emergency rooms and at the doctor's offices. Insurance premiums have gone up 42 percent. I chose to get catastrophic only insurance when this mandatory insurance went through. It was not good enough so I would still have to pay the fines. So now I pay the fines (alot cheaper than the monthly insurance) and continue to pay cash when I need to see a doctor (which is what I did before 2006).

Deb..I will come visit you in jail should that happen

but not in the winter time....

[SOREHOOF]

Has the real bill even reached the Senate floor yet? I hope they make them read every word of this stinky thing on the floor before another vote.