PPs for Alfred G.Vanderbilt...

intense · #1 08-11-2006, 12:49 AM

Does anyone have the PPs for this race? I cannot find them anywhere, I am looking to put a load on Afrashad.

thanks in advance.

GPK · #2 08-11-2006, 06:59 AM

someone will surely have them.

saucon17 · #3 08-11-2006, 07:51 AM

Here is the link to Vanderbilt PP's

http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdf...cher_53692.pdf

Got these from Pletchers website

tiznowthegreat · #4 08-11-2006, 08:18 AM

opinions?
Looks like there might be a speed battle up front between Afrashad and BCH. Last year it looked the same way but Pomeroy drew off and ran huge. War Front looks versatile enough to stalk in 3rd but Mass Media and Judith's look like they will come late. I think it sets up for one of these 2. Any thoughts?

intense · #5 08-11-2006, 01:19 PM

thanks for the PPs... Yea im not sure now after looking at them. I think Ill still be betting Afrashad.

Cajungator26 · #6 08-11-2006, 01:24 PM

I like Mass Media in this field.

hockey2315 · #7 08-11-2006, 02:58 PM

Not that my handicapping abilities warrant ANY consideration. . .

I was very impressed with Afrashad on Belmont day. . . I also like smoke glacken as a sire. . . based on speed figs and fractions from their previous races, I think Afrashad could get in to a speed duel with BCH and still hang on to win. . . he's also third off the layoff so he may not have even raced his best yet. . . it looks like he could be a monster

I actually also like Judiths Wild Rush. . . shipping from Woodbine- not sure if he'll like toga but there's no real way to tell that until the race I guess. . . looks like he might get a nice stalking trip from the rail. . . good works and 3rd off a layoff

War Front looks scary too. . . look at those workouts at Toga!

Scav · #8 08-11-2006, 03:12 PM

1 - Judiths Wild Rush - Plenty fast here and generally come over the border. He is plenty fast enough, 3rd race off a 2 month layoff, and is plenty consistent, racing style will fit race setup perfectly

2 - Mass Media - Was suppose to be knocking boots but I have a feeling no one was using his phone number. Another where is plenty fast with huge numbers at Duct and also at Toga, 3rd off a LONG layoff, you get Javy, who wins 35.4% of the time with Frankel, another where style suits race setup well

3 - Afrashad - absolulely FREAKED in his last race, not sure if 40 days off is enough for such a huge performance, runs his number and he wins for fun but I am guessing he will move back, is getting weight from almost everyone which will help, odds will probably be brutal though for what seems to be a speedy race, I think you either single in the multi-race exotics, or you use 2nd in exactas with JWR and MM

4 - Thunder Touch - Have absolutley no idea why he is here, numbers back from 05 at Toga are somewhat competitve but his last three this year have been brutal

5 - War Front - Complete toss for me. Horse ran his eye balls out last time, which was off a 5.5 month layoff, only getting 27 days off, screaming regression and possibly an all out bounce. It seems like with the Chief that he either wins the race by open lengths or runs off the board, in my experiences when I play him....play in the tri for 3rd if you are playing it but throw out of exactas/multi-race exotics

6 - Bishop Court Hill - was scratched out of a race at Monmouth last week for this spot which is obviously encouraging from Pletcher, who spots well. Slighty below fig wise and with all the other speed in the race, questionable

Exactas 1,2/1,2,3,6
Win money on Mass Media
Multi race exotics with MM and JWR

Gander · #9 08-11-2006, 03:34 PM

Nice write up Scavs. I would like to take a closer in here but I just dont trust any of them. Mass Media is way too inconsistent and I dont think 6F is his best distance. I dont think Judiths Wild Rush is as good as these and has lost before in spots that seemed to set up to a tee for him.

Bishops Court Hill seems like a better animal on a wet track and I am not convinced he is up to playing with these guys.

Afrashad is a bounce to me. Won on the same day Anew won, track was severely speed biased in sprints. At around 2/1 I'll take my chances he wont be first or second.

War Front is the logical one. Allen told us this horse was the best horse in his barn back in Jan-Feb and he was pointing him towards the Carter. Then he got hurt and missed 5 months. Comes back and runs huge just missing to Silver Train after doing all the work. I undrstand the apprehension of him bouncing and at a short price, hes not all that appealing. But I do think he is the goods and will win in a stunning performance. For fans of $5.20 horses.

Downthestretch55 · #10 08-11-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Nice write up Scavs. I would like to take a closer in here but I just dont trust any of them. Mass Media is way too inconsistent and I dont think 6F is his best distance. I dont think Judiths Wild Rush is as good as these and has lost before in spots that seemed to set up to a tee for him.

Bishops Court Hill seems like a better animal on a wet track and I am not convinced he is up to playing with these guys.

Afrashad is a bounce to me. Won on the same day Anew won, track was severely speed biased in sprints. At around 2/1 I'll take my chances he wont be first or second.

War Front is the logical one. Allen told us this horse was the best horse in his barn back in Jan-Feb and he was pointing him towards the Carter. Then he got hurt and missed 5 months. Comes back and runs huge just missing to Silver Train after doing all the work. I undrstand the apprehension of him bouncing and at a short price, hes not all that appealing. But I do think he is the goods and will win in a stunning performance. For fans of $5.20 horses.

I'm with Tim on this one. War Front...JWR for the exacta.

Scav · #11 08-11-2006, 03:54 PM

I might proclaim this as a DRF eater, not sure yet, but War Front WILL NOT win this race....

Cajungator26 · #12 08-11-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I'm with Tim on this one. War Front...JWR for the exacta.

To make it even, I will side with Tom.

All kidding aside, I like Mass Media in this spot. Although 6f isn't his best distance, I think he's the class in this field because I think that Afrashad bounces. War Front concerns me, but I think he'll be short in this race. His huge effort last time screams bounce to me.

intense · #13 08-11-2006, 04:03 PM

Everyones talking about Afrashad bouncing... if he doesn't, is this his race to lose?

Scav · #14 08-11-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by intense

Everyones talking about Afrashad bouncing... if he doesn't, is this his race to lose?

yes...if he doesn't bounce, he wins by OPEN lengths

This is why I am probably not playing the race, and if I do, it will be a 1,2 / 1,2,3 exacta for a couple dollars

ceejay · #15 08-11-2006, 05:42 PM

I think this one sets up perfectly for the 2. 3 E horses who may never have passed a horse. Afrashad's question mark for me is how he'll handle graded stakes-quality pace pressure.

I suspect lots of P4 players will buy this one, but I'll probably play the 2 and 3.

Danzig · #16 08-11-2006, 05:50 PM

bishop court hill

randallscott35 · #17 08-11-2006, 06:39 PM

Foget Judith's Wild Rush in here. Every sheet guy(rags and thoros) and their mother is playing this horse. When everyone is on, I'm definitely off. Not nearly as obvious a play as they think.

I don't like the race. 6 horses, Afra and War Front to me make the most sense. Mass Media doesn't look like a 6 furlong horse but neither did Aldebaran, off Aldebaran was back when Frankel was using like never before so....

sumitas · #18 08-11-2006, 08:55 PM

MM for me. Is it the track that bothered Thunder Touch out west, Hollywood? If that was it, if he's sound, watch out. I can't figure out why he would run here if he wasn't. His neg 3 at Spa last year looms large.
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