Valenzuela wanted in California

[ateamstupid]

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44654

Seriously, just lock this guy up and throw away the key. I don't want to hear the sob stories about him having "problems" anymore. He's had seven million chances and has continued to waste his talent.

[golfer]

How in the world does one have a collision in the drive-thru lane of a fast food restaurant?

[booner]

His foot slipped off the brake as he was looking for change in the ashtray.

[goingtothewhip]

The story i heard is that he ran up on the curb of the drive-thru lane of a mexican fastfood joint and blewout one of his tires. Cops saw it as they were dealing with another incident on the road nearby. Happened around 1 am about 30 miles from SA.

[the_fat_man]

Incredible the amount of MAN love for Pat. Hardly a fart is cut by him without someone reporting on it.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44654

Seriously, just lock this guy up and throw away the key. I don't want to hear the sob stories about him having "problems" anymore. He's had seven million chances and has continued to waste his talent.

This will be the end for P VAL as he will be incarcerated and learn the hard way what the price is for failing to appear for a Superior Court hearing. Up to now he has been a step ahead of authority with everything from the "total body shave" to the "selective hearing" of a man who only responds to what he wants to. When they catch this guy this time he will be forced to dance to a far different tune than the band has been playing in his house.

It wouldn't be shocking to hear that he is no longer in the country. One of the saddest stories of the last 5 years has been the unraveling of his talent and person. Active addiction is a terrible killer of individuals, families and generations connected with them. The ways people suffer as a consequence of this disease cannot be quantified or accounted for because the personality disorder though devastating has no cure or effective treatment.

It is the most humbling entity to treat for a physician because the clinician cannot cure or curb the expression of the disease like we are used to directing our therapy. There is no antibiotic for the infection of addiction.

As a care giver you just watch the infected decay and ruin all around them that care....very very sad but not something solvable by anyone but those that have it.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This will be the end for P VAL as he will be incarcerated and learn the hard way what the price is for failing to appear for a Superior Court hearing. Up to now he has been a step ahead of authority with everything from the "total body shave" to the "selective hearing" of a man who only responds to what he wants to. When they catch this guy this time he will be forced to dance to a far different tune than the band has been playing in his house.

It wouldn't be shocking to hear that he is no longer in the country. One of the saddest stories of the last 5 years has been the unraveling of his talent and person. Active addiction is a terrible killer of individuals, families and generations connected with them. The ways people suffer as a consequence of this disease cannot be quantified or accounted for because the personality disorder though devastating has no cure or effective treatment.

It is the most humbling entity to treat for a physician because the clinician cannot cure or curb the expression of the disease like we are used to directing our therapy. There is no antibiotic for the infection of addiction.

As a care giver you just watch the infected decay and ruin all around them that care....very very sad but not something solvable by anyone but those that have it.

the total body shave was and still is my personal favorite. As far as trying to find change in the ash tray, my guess is he dropped the roach clip

-bt-

[3kings]

Originally Posted by -BT-

the total body shave was and still is my personal favorite. As far as trying to find change in the ash tray, my guess is he dropped the roach clip

-bt-

Or a loose pill or three.

[my miss storm cat]

I wish him well and hope he gets the help he needs.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This will be the end for P VAL as he will be incarcerated and learn the hard way what the price is for failing to appear for a Superior Court hearing. Up to now he has been a step ahead of authority with everything from the "total body shave" to the "selective hearing" of a man who only responds to what he wants to. When they catch this guy this time he will be forced to dance to a far different tune than the band has been playing in his house.

It wouldn't be shocking to hear that he is no longer in the country. One of the saddest stories of the last 5 years has been the unraveling of his talent and person. Active addiction is a terrible killer of individuals, families and generations connected with them. The ways people suffer as a consequence of this disease cannot be quantified or accounted for because the personality disorder though devastating has no cure or effective treatment.
It is the most humbling entity to treat for a physician because the clinician cannot cure or curb the expression of the disease like we are used to directing our therapy. There is no antibiotic for the infection of addiction.

As a care giver you just watch the infected decay and ruin all around them that care....very very sad but not something solvable by anyone but those that have it.

Which personality disorder is that Doc? Addiction?

[TheSpyder]

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory...654&source=rss

[cowgirlintexas]

Already a thread started Spy... Scroll down some on the Paddock page

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Incredible the amount of MAN love for Pat. Hardly a fart is cut by him without someone reporting on it.

Yeah, cause there are so many warrants for jockey's arrests that don't get a thread on here.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by docicu3

The ways people suffer as a consequence of this disease cannot be quantified or accounted for because the personality disorder though devastating has no cure or effective treatment.

For the record in regards to a cure or treatment, I disagree. I have a friend right now that is going through 'the program' and he is doing an absolutely amazing job with it. He has the WILL and WANT to do it. It is my assumption that many people that enter or try treatment, do not have either of those qualities.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Scav

For the record in regards to a cure or treatment, I disagree. I have a friend right now that is going through 'the program' and he is doing an absolutely amazing job with it. He has the WILL and WANT to do it. It is my assumption that many people that enter or try treatment, do not have either of those qualities.

I think Doc's point is more technical..and I'm far from a Dr, but the word cure and treatment, medically, would seem to imply a permanent solution that rids the patient of their ailment..ie..You have a cold, you take meds and you are cured. You can treat alcholism or the person can try and cure it through AA, etc, but it is never permanently disabled..it's always there waiting to go off again.

Now Doc..you can tell us what you really meant

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think Doc's point is more technical..and I'm far from a Dr, but the word cure and treatment, medically, would seem to imply a permanent solution that rids the patient of their ailment..ie..You have a cold, you take meds and you are cured. You can treat alcholism or the person can try and cure it through AA, etc, but it is never permanently disabled..it's always there waiting to go off again.

Now Doc..you can tell us what you really meant

Worded that way, i understand it better

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Scav

Worded that way, i understand it better

yeah..but I don't know if I'm right or not..lol

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Incredible the amount of MAN love for Pat. Hardly a fart is cut by him without someone reporting on it.

He should have been locked up for that ride he put on Cigar in his maiden win.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He should have been locked up for that ride he put on Cigar in his maiden win.

This I have to see ....link Drugs???

And Yes all of the above opinions are paraphrase of what I was trying albeit poorly to get across. I have no drug of choice to cure a craving as in the drug of choice for a C-Diff infection would be Flagyl initially

Kev

The hallmark of the personality disorder for "addiction" is a bit more difficult to be concise about. Like all psychiatry is has to do with having a certain number of major and minor criteria that define the disease. The short version would be 1) an ongoing use of a substance despite consequences that would normally be enough to have an individual refrain 2) Withdrawal symptoms when one stops using a substance 3) An inordinate effort to procure a substance to continue to use. eg The guy who won't ever go to dinner at a place that doesn't serve alcohol. Just a few of criteria that clinicians use.


Scavs

I am very glad for the success of your friend and wish him further success in his recovery. I am still shaking my head and smiling about your comments that the physician shortage in certain specialties can be remedied
by training nurses to do physician care. After 10 years of training following college and having to borrow a quarter million dollars I find it amusing that an individual with less than half the training can practice critical care with 6 extra months on their 4 year college degree.
When it comes time to have someone stick a 3.5 inch needle blindly in my neck to place a transvenous pacer to save someone's life please call the board certified intensivist for me when I have my heart attack because a jock didn't ride to the wire. Just bustin' you buddy I am actually very fond of most of your opinions.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This I have to see ....link Drugs???

And Yes all of the above opinions are paraphrase of what I was trying albeit poorly to get across. I have no drug of choice to cure a craving as in the drug of choice for a C-Diff infection would be Flagyl initially

Kev

The hallmark of the personality disorder for "addiction" is a bit more difficult to be concise about. Like all psychiatry is has to do with having a certain number of major and minor criteria that define the disease. The short version would be 1) an ongoing use of a substance despite consequences that would normally be enough to have an individual refrain 2) Withdrawal symptoms when one stops using a substance 3) An inordinate effort to procure a substance to continue to use. eg The guy who won't ever go to dinner at a place that doesn't serve alcohol. Just a few of criteria that clinicians use.


Scavs

I am very glad for the success of your friend and wish him further success in his recovery. I am still shaking my head and smiling about your comments that the physician shortage in certain specialties can be remedied
by training nurses to do physician care. After 10 years of training following college and having to borrow a quarter million dollars I find it amusing that an individual with less than half the training can practice critical care with 6 extra months on their 4 year college degree.
When it comes time to have someone stick a 3.5 inch needle blindly in my neck to place a transvenous pacer to save someone's life please call the board certified intensivist for me when I have my heart attack because a jock didn't ride to the wire. Just bustin' you buddy I am actually very fond of most of your opinions.

Certainly respect your opinion Doc. I was just curious as to why you thought that the disease of addiction has "no cure or effective treatment".